Have your say

No doubt there are going to be people who are for and against some of the stuff written on this site. We do encourage you to read through the site and educate yourself before posting here. Feel free to have your say and ask questions. Either myself or Geoff Simmons, one of the Morgan Foundation researchers, will answer your questions.

Please refrain for using extreme bad language. Your comments will be deleted.

  • Siobhan McCormack

    In my immediate block I know of 3 families that refuse to ‘fix’ their cats, basically they can’t be bothered, they don’t want to spend the money, and most importantly they think they can make some money selling the kittens on Trade Me and the like. So that’s 3 cats having two to three litters per year, each one producing up to 150 kittens in their breeding span of around ten years They are of course completely deluded so there is no point us arguing the point. However the only way to stop this carry on would be to have cat registration, compulsory chipping, AND, most importantly, make it illegal to sell unfixed cats (apart from those owned by registered breeders).

    Personally pictures of cats with horns is simply not designed to win over us cat lovers, it’s just preaching to the already converted. Why not push for legal changes, those of us who are trying to be responsible owners might then listen and support your cause. I know you are doing this, the problem is it is within the context of messages to ‘get rid of cats’ ‘cats are killers’ etc. The agenda seems to be to completely get rid of cats. Dogs are registered etc, without that sort of rhetoric ( The exception being Pit bulls etc), people are ‘allowed’ to own a Labrador, without being bombarded with messages about the ‘evils’ of dog ownership.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Siobhan, we agree with your thoughts on registering, chipping and neutering. I suggest you have a look at the site in more detail, particularly the petition under “What you can do”. Just follow this link: http://garethsworld.com/catstogo/what-you-can-do/

      • Siobhan McCormack

        Hi Geoff, If you read my whole letter you will see that I acknowledge your petition and state why I agree, I am simply pointing out that it is the delivery that is seemingly designed to ‘put the cat among the pigeons’ rather than ensure any intelligent debate.

        • http://www.facebook.com/davestonyer Dave Stonyer

          Thanks Siobhan – lets put the cats among the pigeons that crap all over our cities

          • j cole

            Hahaha u made us laugh Dave, I love it…yes and thank for ur logic, those pigeons sure do need some cats and are living evidence that all those evil city killer cats are in fact pretty useless at their crime.

        • Susan Leslie

          Indeed, I agree completely. To paraphrase “We don’t want you to kill your cat, just don’t get another one, ever.” Well, I for one plan to have cats – all neutered – for the rest of my life. I’m guessing that this extreme “No cats at all” position is just a publicly stunt. Very disappointing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Whispurr Laura Polaco

      Siobhan, I had a similar issue when I moved into a house next door to someone who didn’t desex her cats. They were breeding out of control. I contacted Sapphire Cat Rescue who talked to my neighbour, got all the cats desexed and worked with me to foster and rehome them. There are things people can do when they see this situation happening. I wish Gareth would donate some of his money to these rescue groups who work tirelessly and entirely on donations to humanely solve the problem.
      I personally don’t think compulsory cat registration would help this situation because I think the people who dump or don’t desex their cats are the same people that wouldn’t bother with registration. It’s the responsible owners who would register, and they’re already doing the right thing!
      I agree with you that it should be illegal to sell unfixed cats unless you’re selling to a licensed breeder. The thing is it’s not easy to buy a cat nowdays that isn’t fixed. Animates now sell SPCA rescue cats and kittens, and they’re desexed before selling. Most people I know own rescue cats. These changes are pretty new and I’m sure they’ll have an effect on the number of stray, hungry cats around. There’s just no reason why the cat lovers, the bird lovers and the environment lovers should be working at cross purposes (especially since they’re often the same person).

  • Daren

    Have you ever thought of what else is endangered to New Zealand Native Wildlife besides cats? Dogs, Pollution, Humans?

  • Barry

    Birds shit everywhere as it is. A lot more of them would make mess that is out of hand in some places. Birds destroy crops and the fruit and veges people try to grow. Nature has some kind of balance as it is. It is also ridiculous to expect people to give their cats up or lock them up. Never going to happen and trying to force people will backfire terribly.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Barry, I would be interested to see the evidence that our endangered native wildlife is a threat to crops. Do you really think that introduced species are part of the “balance” of nature?

      • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

        …Were you born this much of an idiot, or did you have to train?

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        Geoff, and what do you think of the human species that was introduced in australia and NZ? are them part of the balance of nature?

        • Paul

          we humans almost certainly will kill ourselves off one day…centuries from now hopefully and not soon .lol
          Not soon I say only because we need to get cat ownership responsibility going first.
          I guess you’re a NO vote :(

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        what about the 8 billion people living on Earth. do you consider neutering all humans and having the right to trap and get rid of the humans ones who get out of their own home?

      • romulus

        I would like to see you evidence that domestic cats are the greatest threat to NZ wildlife vs other threats.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=721900731 Evelyn Ball

      Birds have every right to be here, more so than an idiot like yourself. You are an arrogant human who thinks it is the only species on this planet.

      • Barry

        Wow, I guess I rank somewhere below Whale Poop on your Richter scale. Thank you. Woman (you are no lady), you have no idea who I am or what I represent. In fact I love birds and all other forms of life that don’t suck the life out of others with their negative energy… my comments were in reference to the influx of birds we would see if there were no enemies. The solution is to create sanctuaries where birds can be safe, not exterminate cats. They are here and they are loved and give love, so live and let live, kill the wild ones.

  • Dawson

    As a Filmmaker I spend a huge amount of time out in the back country and one thing that is for sure there are 1000′s of wild cats out there. Their main diet is carrion and birds. My hunting dogs are trained to identify wild cats, as opposed to domestic cats and kill them. Its not hard to train a dog to do this as the cats have a completely different odour and the dogs have no trouble distinguishing between them. If anyone claims that wild cats are not a problem it is only through their ignorance of what the reality is out in the back country.

    • Barry

      Fair enough. I don’t have a problem with keeping wild cats down for the same reasons we don’t want too many wild stoats or ferets or rats. Domestic cats are another issue, people are entitled to have them as pets without government control.

      • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

        Where do the wild cats come from? We need to control domestic cats better than we do now otherwise the ferals will just keep coming.

        • Barry

          So go shoot a few wild cats. No big deal. Possums and rabbits while you are out there. Start touching domestic ones though and you’ll have problems. Educated people do not send their cats into the wild, this is a problem stemming from low income and often low IQ people (not saying both are the same, just saying both groups) who discard unwanted animals. Your options are to sterilize them or educate them. Good luck with either. The only practical way is to shoot wild cats, of course DOC would like to add poison to our waterways to kill pests now there is a cause worth hanging someone over.

          • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

            Sorry, but you are wrong. Other countries control cats way better than we do, and we even control dogs way better than cats. Why don’t cat owners have the same responsibilties as dog owners Barry?

          • Barry

            Because they are different animals and should not be treated like dogs. Cats need to get out for exercise, you can’t walk them like a dog and neither like to be shut in 24/7. Why not create some cat free sanctuaries where birds have a space in parks that have cat-proof fencing around a little bush area that people can walk in but cats cannot? The birds are free to fly out by day and a safe place to hunker back down at night. Start trapping pets and fining owners and those responsible are going to get hurt and good job, anyone takes my pet and they’ll find me far more scary than they have an answer for…if I had a cat lol. Had them all my life now got rid of them to a farm, but all were neutrered. We don’t need to law to do the right thing as sensible folk already do and the rest don’t give a rats ass – law or no law plus can’t likely afford it – so trap theirs not the looked after ones

  • Guest

    Have you ever thought of what else is endangered to New Zealand Native Wildlife besides cats? Dogs, Pollution, Humans?

    • nina

      next he’ll be like ‘STOP DRIVING CARS YOU POOPOO HEADS THEY’RE DANGEROUS YOU GUYS, STOP HITTING BIRDIES WITH YO CARS’ and he’ll make a website about how next time your car is gunna cost you too much to get a warrant you should just sell it for scrap and get some good walking shoes.

      • Guest

        At least if he did that it’d be showing some form of fairness instead of just picking on cats.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Are you suggesting we don’t deal with problems because we have other problems?

      • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

        I think he’s saying you’re a misguided moron.

        • Paul

          The problem is.. you lot, with the exception of Geoff ,are living in a very little world. The one you grew up in as a child I think. You would do well to broaden your horizons…look further than you’re own sad reflections and see that the place …surprise surprise is a bigger place than you realize. More than about you just you.

          If you don’t care about the wholesale destruction cats among other predators are doing….go live in a cellar somewhere .

          The site is simply trying to bring awareness to that fact…do something positive for the country wildlife for goodness sakes

          • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

            You try to diss people but can’t even write “your” instead you wrote “you’re”: You can’t even use the grammar properly and call people that has an another opinion than you narrowminded. Now who’s the narrowminded?

          • Paul

            I stand corrected… Thanks . You are quite right about the spelling.
            I detect a few grammatical errors in ‘your’ sentence as well though. None us are perfect.

            But anyway ….he deserved to be ‘dissed’. Totally negative and rude. Calling someone moron . Why is he entitled to say that??…….especially as Geoff seemed perfectly reasonable to me in his response.
            Someone is entitled to there opinion if they can argue for it…defend it successfully . If someone thinks an opinion is valid just because they have it and for no other reason…then you would have to accept every nutter in the history of the world has had something to say which is worthy of being listened too.

            The site asks people to debate the issues. That’s all.
            I’m just telling him to grow up. See the issues. They’re important

          • Nick

            Resorting to personal attacks is a particularly weak strategy and is unfortunately something that is becoming more and more common in the public arena.

            Maybe it’s because people are generally getting less and less skilled the mastery of their primary language.

            Calling someone a moron is indeed unacceptable for anyone, especially a representative of an organisation like the SPCA.

          • Paul

            Weak strategy…and common strategy of many who see themselves with Team Bob

            As you may be aware. I’m not in agreement with Bob Kerridge’s stance in this matter at all. His views lack any understanding of evolution and conservation. He is muddled. But his opinion has rallied a host of people to his side and he hides behind their support ,I feel, as if they were further justifying his ignorance of the facts. Like a self fulfilling prophecy….one says something, people back it up because it suits them ..so therefore you must have been right. That is wrong. At least we can discuss.

          • Comikris

            Do something positive? By exiling a species that MANY people love? That’s not doing something positive. That is a negative thing.

          • Paul

            I know many people love cats. Ive met them. Good people.That’s ok. I loved my cat when I was kid too. But I did start to notice over time how it killed insects, lizards, and birds and left them uneaten. That is very unusual behaviour. Really sad when ‘anything’ kills unnecessarily. Let alone, when its an introduced cat killing highly vulnerable native creatures. I know stoats do that ,but you get a stoat coming into your garden and you can do something about it. You get the neighbours dog coming into your garden ,fighting with other dogs all night and you can so something about. You cant do anything with cats that is socially acceptable.You should spend time to read the stories of some people on this website and their frustration at being powerless to protect the native birds and lizards in their garden

            The idea here is to make people face up to a greater responsibility for their beloved pet, consider the possibility of not replacing it. How is that wrong?

            Seems positive to me.

          • Comikris

            How is it wrong? How is it right? We all protect what we love. Which is the big thing you are missing, as I have said to you and gareth is that everything kills something, WHICH IS WHAT YOU REFUSE TO AKNOWLEDGE (bad spelling :P) As you said, we love our beloved pets, in your case it might be birds. I own birds too, and a cat. My cat leaves those birds alone. We can protect things in our garden, but removing them from the country? Really? Every animal is vulnerable and has their weknesses and you are trying to fix it. Plants have been introudced, WHITE people were introduced to new zealand bringing all the tech and hamrful fuel (which you also refuse to realise). A greater responsibility – I AM COMPLETELY FOR THAT! COMPLETELY! Whats ours is ours and should be looked after and aware of what they are doing. Our cats may not be innocent. But neither are we – or are birds. They kill to feed as well. Cats may have been introduced to New Zealand, but so was all this other harmful stuff, hell, we POISON some rodents.

          • Paul

            You are right …’everything kills’. I think that is where there is a lot of confusion between us. (You’ve raised many worthwhile things , but if I can just answer you on this point it might help us both at least.)

            The whole of nature operates on the basis of one animal/plant feeding upon another. Probably only some plankton and bacteria are exempt from this .

            But why myself and others point out that Cats are killers and are cruel etc is because cats can’t really be classified having evolved in a Darwinian sense in NZ….do you know what I mean?…they were bred over hundreds of years from some naturally evolved ancestor from Egypt to the various breeds we have today and imported. They’ve been able to skip an evolutionary process that would probably have selected most of them out of existence simply because they couldn’t survive in the wild and others because they would have such a severe impact on there prey species by killing most things they find that they would soon run out of food.

            Domestic cats have got a set of genes from their ancestor that makes them formidable killers…like killer whales are …but in this case…killer whales do torment some of their prey , such as young seals…but in the end are only killing to eat.

            Combine the fact that Cats kill in an unrestricted way from many homes in NZ…that they are incredibly good at what they do…very powerful animals for their size…few creatures there size or smaller stand a chance (a dog ,a possum maybe)…..with the other fact that NZ native animals have existed in isolation…have never co-evolved with such predators . And you have a formula for disaster.

            We’ve lost 60 spp of bird…ok its taken in the last 500 years…but it amounts to a quarter of the worlds modern bird extinctions and 11 of those directly attributable to cats. The Huia was lost partly due to cats and Man combined

            When you have such a good hunter, that kills for the sake of it … living with animals that cannot defend themselves….ultimately you will have nothing at all.
            That is the concern.

          • Comikris

            I love birds. I do. And what we do to help them is amazing, those points you said are true, and 0 spp of bird lost in 500 years (which is a short time if you think about it) is bad, I know. I realise they wern’t here first, but that shouldn’t mean they can’t live here (the spca should NOT release stray cats into the wild, its unfair on nature and the cats really) But I guess I just don’t really want my cat to go, but neither with birds (I have both cats and birds living at my house). A solution needs to catar to both species, not just one, is kinda what i’m thinking about now, but I hate the idea of NZ being cat free.

          • Paul

            a ‘cat free NZ’ … would probably would be less likely than you or I being hit by a meteorite at the moment. It could happen.. eventually….long time from now…people change. But don’t worry about it all in personal sense. No one will take your cat(s) off you. Its all about ‘responsible cat owners’…and showing people there are consequences for our wildlife if that responsibility isn’t taken seriously that’s all.
            Gareth (and many others..maybe a third of New Zealanders…me included) think this is the only option on the table given peoples attitudes as they are. It’s started debate. You have rights as a citizen equal to Gareth , me, anyone. And we are discussing it in an intelligent way. I’ve heard what you’ve said…and I can detect a shift in your position too.That’s great.

            Talk to your friends one day. Tell them cats are fine in the house over night with kitty litter box in the laundry. They are safe from wandering Toms and Moreporks and lizards will be safer too. Its a start aye.

          • Comikris

            I’m still in the same position, which is for both to stay living but to find a solution for the situation. I think Gareth came off far too strong in the campbell live program, but thats fine.

          • Nick

            Good points. We all kill and mostly out of necessity.

            What stands out with the domestic cat is that it kills for no reason apart from the joy of killing. I saw it all the time with my cat.

          • Paul

            When something kills constantly, without need, and for the pure enjoyment of it……they shouldn’t enjoy the protection of the SPCA the way they do. Protect cats from suffering ..Yes. …but don’t re-home them. Euthanize them instead. Its ok to do that. Its sounds savage when looked at emotionally but its really a kind thing to do as it protects those who are weakened against those that only destroy pointlessly. Its a deliberate and import interference…a re-balancing . Like controlling possums

            Simply put…SPCA places little value on native animals of NZ by its ill-informed stance in this matter.
            cheers Nick

          • Fer

            OMG where do you get that Joy of killing thing??it is like those ignorant people thinking a cat in heat is horny!!! It’s insticts you morrons! don’t humanize them! YOU kill for fun or for other reasons, you fu*k for fun. Come one, I can’t believe there’s such ignorant people out there!! This is incredible, I am in awe. So sad to see great countries full of ignorant people. Grow some balls and say you don’t like cats for whatever reason but don’t say that nonsense!! It is an insult to people with a little culture.

          • Fer

            “But I did start to notice over time how it killed insects, lizards, and birds and left them uneaten. That is very unusual behaviour.” Very unusual behaviour?? Where?? Are you serious?! First, HUMANS are the ones who kill for fun, some animals like cats kill because it is their instict and since they because house cat they don’t need to hunt to eat, so they don’t but their insticts are intact and they must practice. The only unusual behaviour I see in your comment is a person not using his brains. Shame on you for being that ignorant. Go back to watching tv. “You cant do anything with cats that is socially acceptable” You mean KILLING THEM? why don’t we kill those spoiled brats serial killers wannabes that kill birds for fun and other animals? Studies back up the fact that children are cruel and we all know they kill for fun. I say why don’t we not only save birds and the future of the world by choking children to death? Do you know Jonathan Swift? Go read a little about his SARCASTIC proposal to get rid of poors. If you little mind can understand it, of course.
            Besides, don’t be naive or don’t try to lie in our faces, this is not about not replacing the cats, it is about killing them. And this stupid drawing with angry cats in the dark, come on, it is totally retarded in a way and DANGEROUS in another. They suggest in the FAQ that you can kill your cat to protect the birds. Come one, what about neutering and keeping the cat inside? Why killing them? Disgusting human beings. And I thought you were a great country, shame on you. You put the rest on NZ people to shame. I hope at least when you go outside killing cats you kill them without pain you f*cker. Gosh I can’t believe this is happening. You deserve cancer people. all of you. My cats where the only creatures around me when I had cancer and they help me in my recovering. YOU deserve to die alone with no love. And F you to the ones that reply bad to this, I won’t read it. F YOU all killers, disgusting pigs.

          • Paul

            Are you writing this on behalf of Bob Kerridge by any chance? You two would get on well.

            If not maybe you should write speeches for the Teleban or al-Qaeda!

            All I can say is what a pile of absolute drivel. Get your facts straight .

          • Nick

            Many people love killing other people.
            Many other people love torturing and abusing children.

            According to your logic, it is a negative thing trying to stop them because it’s something they love.

            Point is, just because you love something, or it makes you feel good or right, doesn’t make it so.

      • http://twitter.com/ToniaLenza tonia lenza

        how do you keep stray cats out of your garbage cans?

        • Lionel Katz

          Lids?

        • http://www.facebook.com/crazygamer366 Kelly Stark

          put something heavy on the lids lol

        • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

          feed them. So they wont need to eat trash on your garbage.

      • Trev Margolin

        That, in my opinion, has also been the main “argument” – if you can dignify it with that name – against doing anything about smoking. To me it is the argument you use if you do not have a (better) one. Same as those people who attack the debater personally rather than use reasoned debate. And I have already seen people attack Gareth…

    • http://www.facebook.com/dina.evanreulen Dina E van Reulen

      The main key is “HUMANS”

  • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

    Has anyone ever told you that you’re an uneducated moron? If not. Here’s someone calling you an uneducated moron. The biggest threat is humans. If you care that much for the environment, please select your immediate death of choice, and action it. To do anything else is hypocritical.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      People often worry about our native wildlife and wonder what they can do. Truth is there is something you can do!

      • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

        Yes, get rid of you for a start. Human’s are the biggest danger, but I suppose with your retarded vendetta you’re too short sighted to see that. You want to know the bigger threat to kiwi? Stoats. Get a grip. You’ve obviously lost any hold on reality.

        • Krist

          Unnecessary apostrophe’s (sic) indicate you are the uneducated moron.

          • http://twitter.com/AerrowCrayolaa Simone Jade

            or it could be that their phone automatically puts in the apostrophes. I don’t think what Tacarius is an uneducated moron. I think in everything he’s written, he makes a ton more sense than the guy who owns the site.

      • http://www.facebook.com/simon.clotworthy.5 Simon Clotworthy

        YOU can start shooting possoms : ) get back to me when they are gone :D

  • Loretta

    Im sure there are many many other animals that kill birds – what are you going to do?? – have them all eradicated – so why pick on domesticated cats – sure my cats murder birds its in their makeup and thats just the way it is – Im more concerned about humans murdering humans or any animals for that matter ! Im appalled that you can even suggest getting rid of cats – have you ever been to a country where lions eat baby deer, – sorry Mr Morgan but its nature and you aint going to beat that ! its not going to happen in a million years !!! Ive not heard of anything more crazier !!!

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Loretta, lions eating baby deer is a bit different – cats are an introduced species here.

  • Mike Crooks

    Heck yes, good call, I am sick to death of cats crapping in my garden, and the SPCA just isnt interested in tracking down your neighbours cat thats been a nusiance to your pet birds, wildlife and doing its best to make your tomatoes inedible. and if you shoot it you’re suddenly the villan? … go figure!
    Cat ‘owners’ need to take more ownership (the clue is in the title), Dog owners have been forced to microchip and register their animals for a very long time, its about time cat owners caught up with the real world and
    started being responsible
    Good on you!

  • jorigg

    Thank God I have no rats or mice about my property and because of my amazing little family member who stays around our property only ..as taught! also both our cats don’t touch birds at all!!!

    • Mike Crooks

      … yeah right

      • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

        Indeed. Owners who think their cats don’t touch birds are delusional. There is plenty of evidence they do – they don’t bring everything home as a present.

        • Chibz

          I know, with 100% certainty, that my cat doesn’t touch birds. It has never touched a bird, once.

          It has looked at a few though.

        • http://www.facebook.com/simon.clotworthy.5 Simon Clotworthy

          I am going to breed cats like crazy and let them off into the bush just to piss you off : D

        • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

          i think ill have to make a movie of my cats running on my yard. they dont give a s*** about the birds around. Then, i want to see what ll be your argument

        • http://www.facebook.com/Whispurr Laura Polaco

          There’s also plenty of evidence that not all cats are hunters. Maybe you should do some research before calling people delusional.

          Here’s an article about a “kitty cam” study, so not just studying what cats bring home.

          http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/kitty-cam-shows-not-all-cats-are-killers/

  • http://www.facebook.com/sara.kraya Sara Kraya

    Are you mental??? No, seriously, are you? Human beings have destroyed NZ’s ‘clean, green’ reputation. Human beings again and again destroy the environment and turn beautiful pieces of land into concrete jungles. Do you like to fish or hunt?? you are a murderer – you should be eradicated. Oh wait – big cats, marine animals, dogs, etc etc don’t most animals including human beings eat other animals? Are you a vegan? I BET you aren’t! This is honestly the most rediculous thing I have ever seen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

      I’m beginning to think he had to train to be this stupid.

    • Paul

      Human beings have had the most serious effect on NZ’s wildlife in the past. But we are hopefully regulated from further needless destructiveness by laws. Cats are not controlled at all. And that is simply daft….,as cats are such indiscriminate and highly effective killers of native species. In fact cats have contributed almost as much to NZ bird extinctions as Pacific rats.

      Its not ridiculous at all. Some people care more about the environment than you obviously.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

      Theres cats with horns and evil eyes in the background of this blog. Unless he´s less than 4 years old, no doubt that he has seriously mental problems.

  • Alanna

    I am frankly extremely upset, diguisted & sick about this whole campaign. Cats are valued and loved members of families across NZ, they have animal rights. My cat is microchipped and neutered and is a massively loved and cherised member of our family.

    Your arguement is that cats are killing wildlife, damaging the environment?…

    How about the human race?! Man does more damage to this planet and its inhabitants than any other species on Earth. Does that mean you’d like to kill all the humans off too?!

    Humans are capable of every kind of evil, but cats?! Cats for goodness sake, are CATS??? They’re innocent creatures, and you’re making them out to be evil.

    LEAVE THEM ALONE!

    • Paul

      Who is saying cats are evil? They are simply an enormous environmental problem in NZ. People (cat breeders)created them ,introduced them to the country… and now people are responsible for the consequences of what they do to our native fauna. And they do tremendous harm .Fact.

      • nina

        people created cats? fact? woooah just for the record, birds kinda eff things up a bit too, they can really screw with crops, and make a heck of a mess by crapping on everything. if it wasn’t for cats around some orchards birds would be responsible for ruining whole crops, fair enough some areas have a bigger cat problem than others but getting rid of peoples pets isn’t gonna fix that, focus on them pesky strays yo

        • Paul

          Yes people created ‘domestic cats’ by selectively breeding them . I think the domestic cat’s natural ancestor came from Egypt or Africa a long time ago. The ‘fact’ is, they do great harm to native fauna by killing everything they find. If you own a cat, (as I have in the past) you will soon find out how destructive they are. The birds destroying crops are usually introduced birds by the way and no one really has a problem with that . The real issue …is with what cats are doing to NZ’s declining ‘native’ birds, lizards , insects and so on.

          • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

            Thanks Paul, agree 100%

          • http://twitter.com/NikohlTaylor Nikohl Talyor

            My cat is currently ‘killing’ a bottle cap. Shit! There goes the earth..

          • Paul

            Its just practicing for the real thing

          • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

            interesting is that no one discuss the fact that EUROPEAN HUMAN arrived in NZ destroying everything. Cats dont tear down trees, polute air and water and so on.

          • http://twitter.com/glennalodge sauwah tsang

            Yeah, n other species white man brought along like pet dogs which also kill native species and livestock that displace native species.

          • http://twitter.com/glennalodge sauwah tsang

            But again, it is ok for dogs, cows and sheep because men, white men have said so and called such law! Cats should have been sucking up to this man to all men behind like dogs, then cats would truly be able to get away and smelling like man best friend

          • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

            Indeed! So right!

          • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

            so, will your child be the last one you ll have? the world is exploding of people. 8 billions of Humans are killing cows, rabbits, chickens, pigs, cats and dogs to eat them. Besides all the plants and nature they destroy to build all kind of stuff. So, whos the big serial killer? Your child is not innocent!

          • Paul

            my children are innocent in my eyes …as will all parents …but I agree, humans in a philosophical sense are perhaps not.

            We caused the problem by bringing cats to NZ and upsetting the balance of nature. …at least we can try and reverse the damage.

            Human population control is another issue …and one our children will have to face in the future. Hope they can listen to the birds and insects while they are debating it

          • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

            Is this Gareth himself answering posts? Seem awfully stubborn not to have a personal attachment to the website……

          • Comikris

            We upset the balance of nature when we created fuels, technology, land fills, when we re shape the land. Open your eyes, stop being so biased. I can see why cats are a problem and could have things to protect the birds agaisnt. A collar with a bell being mandatory would be a PERFECT STEP NOT SENDING THEM OUT OF NEW ZEALAND. Oh, yes paul, white europeans wern’t here first so we must send all white people (including me) away to fix nature. Realise what you are saying first. Damage? Again, its your generations fault all this damage is happening to the world paul.

          • Paul

            Don’t think a collar and a bell helps that much…but it is making an effort at least. Its more difficult to solve than that. Hey,…. most of people of ‘my generation’ that I know didn’t bring cats here but are trying to help protect the wildlife and shoulder the blame anyway.
            And both groups of people who came here from elsewhere and colonized NZ contributed to extinctions of birds via predators they brought in and their own actions of burning and felling forest and hunting.
            There’s no argument there.
            Let fix it….one step at a time then.

          • j cole

            Well my cat just sleeps everyday, it would b a miracle if it caught anything!

          • Paul

            But what does it do at night. Ever followed it? You might see a ‘miracle’ then.

          • http://twitter.com/glennalodge sauwah tsang

            So so pet dogs that kill

          • Paul

            dogs have to be registered. Cats dont.!
            Cats have free reign to kill what ever they like. If your neighbours dog came into you garden all the time, fought with your dog and killed native wildlife..at least you could do something about it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

            And what about humans that are ruining the air, the sea, taking animals habitats. Did you know there are 16000 endangered species and most of them are due to the human? I rest my case.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Whispurr Laura Polaco

            Yes we’ve selectively bred them to be hunters because that’s how they’ve been useful to us historically, by keeping numbers of pests such as rats down. We’ve also in my opinion selectively bred them to be loving, highly affectionate creatures. Studies (yes NZ studies too) have consistently shown that hunting is highly individualistic and that between 30-50% of domestic cats don’t hunt at all. Gareth Morgan’s portrayal of cats as sadistic killers is simply not true.
            The fact remains though that yes some cats do hunt, and yes, a small percentage of what they are catching are native birds. This is still only an issue if their hunting is unsustainable to those bird populations. That’s a question for our wildlife experts and scientists, not our bored, rich businessmen. If it is unsustainable then the potential solutions too should be coming from the experts although I doubt they’ll be as satisfying to the bored mind behind this witch hunt. Moderate, considered and educated responses aren’t as fun as extremist reactions huh Gareth.

          • Paul

            I would agree they’ve been very useful in the past, in Europe for example , for ‘pest’ control. Especially during the black plague .But not now ..surely…because they often find native animals much easier targets and that was probably never anticipated by the folk that brought them here.
            If cats were gone and you suddenly found you had a garden full of rats and stoats ,you can buy rat poison. You can set traps. I am fearful of setting traps and killing cats and experiencing the wrath of my neighbours who feel its their right to have their cats on my property killing native animals.
            Some cats may not hunt. (was that study done by the SPCA by any chance…it sounds questionable to me).There are always biological variations to any population.
            It really is ‘head in the sand stuff’ to say its not as bad as Gareth is saying. The fact is ,the cat is a formidable predator. You couldn’t have bred a better ‘killing machine’ if you tried. Its brought catastrophe to NZ native species. It helped extinguish the Huia, the Piopio…a list as long as my arm. I could go on and on and on.
            There are almost no native animals in suburban localities anymore. Forests are largely silent. This is a worse predator than the stoat and weasel combined. Humans, stoats, ferrets…everything else can be regulated and controlled when needed. Cats kill native species with impunity …with the blessing of SPCA. With the protection of people. This is about addressing that issue.

            If people love their cat…think its a family member…why do they turf it outside and go to bed. All it does is fight other cats and potentially kill any lizard,bird, insect it comes across.

            Given a cat is perfectly happy inside…answer me why that nightly ritual is acceptable for a start?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roy-Stuart/1187703284 Roy Stuart

        Gareth Morgan said that cats are evil, that’s who… he’s not the first though,many witch hunters denounced cats as evil back when the earth was deemed to be flat and people were burnt at the stake.

        • Paul

          well I stand corrected if your right…….but ,I have also heard him say he ‘doesn’t hate cats at all. Just prefers lizards, birds and insects in his garden.’
          I don’t think cats are ‘evil’ because evil is only a religious word/notion created by men..to frighten other men and as such it shouldn’t apply to any animal other than men.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dina.evanreulen Dina E van Reulen

      100% agree !
      Thank’s for sharing yr opinion Alanna

    • Coral

      Dear Alanna, go to:- The Oatmeal.com and look at ” How much do cats actually kill” . PS…………While you are there read some of the other comics they are funny!

    • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

      In such case humans should be castrated too because humans are the one species that has the most impact all over the world, including New Zealand. How are you planning to get through with that campaign? Surely some kind of lame PR-trick. I hope.

  • brigzyman

    its not house cats/pets you people are idiots.

    • nina

      um, but it is, can you read…?

    • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

      You should learn to read.

  • http://www.facebook.com/PINK.NZ Jonathan Dixon

    I represent most of the cats in my Neighborhood and they have asked me to comment. We chose the the top voted comments by our constituents.
    1. Meow.
    2. Birds are Crunchy.
    3. Hsssss.
    4. Try to make Birds not Taste so friggin(sic) good.
    5. Wood Pigeons are Fat. (Can someone please tell their leader).
    6. Is there a Picture of you anywhere on this Site?
    7. Why is the New IPhone 5 not Cat friendly.
    8. What time does this meeting finish.
    9. Can one of you humans tell Chef that their new range of cat food tastes like Shit.
    10. Birds really are Crunchy.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Jonathan. Thanks for bringing a balanced feline voice to this debate and not simply throwing a hissy fit and getting catty.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

        It’s probably the most intelligent thing on this site, certainly far more intelligent than the crap you lot have spilled. Did you expect everyone to see things your way? Did you even expect a majority? that’s an extraordinary level of stupid right there.

        • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

          Hi Tacarius, again thanks for entering the debate, it is good to see a reasoned discussion happening. Some 500 people have already signed our petition calling for all cats to be chipped, registered and neutered so that seems like a good start.

          • Guest

            If I got behind a proxy I could fake some numbers as well.

          • http://twitter.com/NikohlTaylor Nikohl Talyor

            Being chipped, registered and neutered is completely different from this whole thing to “get rid of cats”.

          • Mard

            Imagine if someone suggested “get rid of Kiwis” as a campaign… people would be (rightly) ouraged… yet when it is a mammal for some reason it is OK to suggest it! What’s with the antimammetic sentiment on this page/?

          • Nick

            antimammetic haha :-)

            I guess if kiwis were roaming the countryside slaughtering the other wildlife that has an equal right to live in the environment, then a kiwi holocaust would be justified.

            Really. Inventing a word in an effort to conjure up genocidal imagery of the Jewish people in an effort to gain support for your cat?

          • Susan Leslie

            Yes, I completely agree!

          • j cole

            At last some sense, yes, this is the point. It’s no different to sensible dog management. No one has said ‘dogs to go’ and dogs do more than catch birds they bite people. See the news people. And if we want to ban dogs for such a reason then we would also have to ban cars, seeing as cars kill more people in one year than dogs do over several years. Oh, n alcohol, seeing as most deaths for whatever reason are linked to substance abuse. So we should also start a ‘dogstogo’ ‘carstogo’ n a ‘drinktogo’ site….just to make NZ a fair place for all.

          • Annie

            Agree – the get rid of cats thing is appalling.

          • Comikris

            That is a PERFECT start and END to it. Any animals caught within the proximity of whereever these birds are should be taken and be charged a fine to be returned. THAT is a perfect start and a PERFECT end to it.

          • Tracy Dickinson

            Have you had a talent for lying through your slimy teeth since birth or is it a learned ability?

    • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

      hahahahaa best post ever!

    • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

      And what a beautiful cat there, full with dignity.

    • Paul

      Please adopt a self neutering procedure immediately. Stay in at night. And when your outside, …. keep off your neighbors property!

  • nina

    humans kill for recreation also, should we get rid of them too?

    perhaps you jumped the gun a little by targeting pets, and you should focus more on ferals and strays. there are thousands of strays in my city alone, i know a lot of people who do their best to catch them and turn them over to the right people, maybe money spent starting up a hate campaign over peoples pets would be better put to use finding a real solution to getting rid of strays. make it cheaper to spay and neuter, hand out live cages to people who have stray cat problems, actually be proactive instead of just pointing the finger?

    my cats are too fat and lazy to hunt, aside from the odd moth. they spend all day inside sleeping and only go outside to poop and to see if our neighbour has any food too. once i caught my cat stalking a bird which consisted of her sitting on a fence till the bird flew past, and then falling off because she’s too retarded to jump. anyway, what im saying is, maybe my cats do manage to hunt and kill the occasional bird in the 30-60 minutes they spend outside each day, but they’re my fur babies and i love them. the stray cat that lives in the bushes behind my house probably manages a hell of a lot more bird murders in the 24/7 hours it spends outside, and the kittens that pop out of it every few months probably manage a few each day too, if i had the spare…$120? it will take to get that kitty fixed, or the time and skills to catch it, i would do just that.

    when they die i’ll get more cats and more when they die too, and maybe sometimes just to spite you i’ll not feed them for a day or two and send them out to test their skills and when they come home with a tui i’ll think to myself ‘what would gareth morgan do’ and then i’ll do the opposite.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Nina, absolutely ferals and strays are part of the problem. All cats should be chipped, registered and neutered and any unregistered cats disposed of in a humane fashion. Then as long as you are responsible for your cat there is no problem.

      • Mard

        Sounds like you have come up with a… Final Solution…

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        Yes but what does chipping a cat achieve? I can see registering a cat is another revenue gathering technique but what is the point of chipping?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mickey-Kelly/634113979 Mickey Kelly

          A lost cat is easier to identify and reunite with its owner if it has a chip.

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  • Guest

    People are known to kill for pleasure too, maybe we should euthanize some of over populated society as well. We also cut down forests, cull native animals, destroy habitats to build mines, houses and business districts… so tell me again how Cats are the real issue.

    I do believe all cats should be desexed and not be aloud out doors unless in a caged environment… but you are taking this way to far.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Guest… given your last line it seems we are in complete agreement. I suggest you read the website in more detail. We are not calling for all cats to be killed. Clearly that would be ridiculous and inhumane.

  • Bikki Cat
  • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

    Humans are also known to kill for pleasure.
    We also cut down forests and destroy habitats to make way for mines, homes and business districts.
    We cull native wildlife, people go out shooting for fun. We hit all types of species with our cars, bikes and trucks.

    I could go on forever, please tell me again how cats are the real issue here..

    Maybe we should ‘fix’ people and stop our numbers becoming so overwhelming. that or there is euthanasia? haha

    I do believe in ‘fixing’ cats though and keeping them indoors, no challenge from me there.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Rhiannon, given your last line it seems we are in complete agreement. I suggest you read the website in more detail. We are not calling for all cats to be killed. Clearly that would be ridiculous and inhumane.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

        Except I did read and I quote “Not necessarily but that is an option.” When it came to a question about euthanasia So it wasn’t exactly ruled out as an idea.

        Also “any unregistered cats disposed of in a humane fashion.” Why not re-home? There are plenty of people who adore cats and look after them responsibly who would gladly take in strays. I know I have.

        That is what I am questioning.

  • disqus_1Tn9GTltY0

    Perhaps you need to go, Gareth, you ignoramus. You and all of us are just as much responsible for the extinction of various wildlife.
    You’re a douche bag that seems to be causing more harm to society!

  • http://www.facebook.com/harley.radford.7 Harley Radford

    Firstly I’d just like to say I’m 100% behind getting cats spayed/neutered, there is simply too many cats in SPCA and Cats Protection League, many of which were strays after a thoughtless person didn’t (whether through ignorance or laziness) get their cat fixed. On top of this there are already a number of restrictions on where you can’t have pets, there is no need to make this any harsher. There are many animals such as rats, stoats and don’t forget us humans who do far more damage to endangered species and the environment. Pets are an incredibly important part of any family, cats in particular are very easy to look after. My cat is a great companion, has a number of quirks, and according to the vet is a bit fat… he is not a criminal. If any species should be put to death over their handling of the environment, it’s humans. (please don’t!)

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Harley, thanks for your thoughtful post. We are not calling for your cat to be killed! Truth is that there aren’t that many restrictions on cat ownership – we would like to see cat owners have the same responsibility as dog owners at the very least. That means making sure they are chipped, neutered and registered and owners are responsible for them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        Please tell me exactly what benefit micro chipping a cat will actually do? I really do think that you must have an investment in the chips? I wouldn’t mind paying an absolute minimal amount to register my cat, but not the same amount as a dog. Dogs are terrible animals for society, they bark,bite, crap on footpaths whether microchipped or registered. Please tell me the real reason why I should pay to get my cat micro chipped? And don’t give me it will be easier to return if it’s lost.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        you say you are not calling the cats to be killed but in this page i read about euthanasia and trap and get rid of cats. Or dont you remember that?

  • Guest

    Humans are also known to kill for pleasure.
    We also cut down forests and destroy habitats to make way for mines, homes and business districts.
    We cull native wildlife, people go out shooting for fun. We hit all types of species with our cars, bikes and trucks.

    I could go on forever, please tell me again how cats are the real issue here..

    Maybe we should ‘fix’ people and stop our numbers becoming so overwhelming. that or there is euthanasia? haha

    I do believe in ‘fixing’ cats though and keeping them indoors, no challenge from me there.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Yes, humans are the problem. And we can be part of the solution with our choices over all our actions… like cat ownership…

      • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

        I don’t know who ‘guest’ is but being as its a copy of my post I will reply as well.
        I believe in desexing, chipping and keeping cats indoors, the only people who don’t are those that are too irresponsible to own any type of animal in the first place. Maybe instead of concentrating on every cat owner, you should look more into the ones who don’t do what they should be doing.

        If mine died I would be getting another one, don’t punish those who do the right thing for those who wouldn’t know the first thing about responsible pet ownership.

  • http://twitter.com/marcla13 marcla

    You are nothing but a sadistic moron. Kindly go and leave this planet.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RomanBlaize Tacarius Paulinus

      Agreed.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks for your considered feedback.

      • Tobias

        Instead of being sarcastic, which makes you come across as arrogant and distant, why not simply acknowledge when people are being abusive. Part of the problem with the proposal is the “holier than thou” approach. “We know best about cats”. Smart alec replies just seem to indicate you’re unwilling to engage in rational debate – because you already know best.

  • Cat Burgler

    Wonderful – at last someone has the guts to tell it like it is. I have witnessed cats and their mass killings of bird life for too long. This country is riddled with cats. Remember – cats were introduced here and have been responsible for the extinction of some of our native species and more will disappear unless something concrete is done. Even when they are fully fed, they persist in destroying wildlife at will. Well done Gareth. All power to you.

    • http://twitter.com/marcla13 marcla

      Gareth is this your dupe account ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

      Yes because cats are the soul reason for the extinction of those birds. We persist in destroying wildlife, why aren’t we punished for our crimes, after all aren’t we meant to know better?

    • Lionel Katz

      BurglAr

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bryce-Cole/100000682254990 Bryce Cole

    I think you should firstly address the issue of possums which possibly do more damage to the native bush and the residents that live there than cats. Surely there are better things to spend your large amount of money on than this.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Bryce – need to do that too! But action is happening there. There is no action on cats because we are too scared to talk about it.

  • http://twitter.com/marcla13 marcla

    You do realize that humans murder ducks, chickens, geese and other animals ? Do you plan to kill us off as well ?

    • Barry

      lol. Some of our native birds murder other birds too. They should be punished

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Marcla we are talking about endangered native species not farm animals.

  • Pete S.

    While I can agree with the mandatory registration, neutering, and (preferably) micro-chipping of pet cats, I cannot support the idea that New Zealand would benefit from this idea of feline eradication.

    Where the former points (that is, registration and neutering) provide positive effects for both the cat and the local environment, it’s important to note the studies that have been done on the removal of erstwhile invasive species from an ecosystem which has had time to adapt and adjust in many ways to the introduced species in question. These studies show that the eradication of a species introduced to an ecosystem can have disasterous, and otherwise unforseeable, immediate and long-term consequences on the stability of local fauna and flora both and, in fact, in one case examined it was specifically the removal of felines from an island locale (Macquarie Island) that caused this upsurge in instability despite the eradication process taking place as an integrated part of a pest management framework.

    Given this, and your stated goal of conservation of native New Zealand flora and fauna, it seems a hasty and poorly-judged move to call for the eradication of domestic cats; one which appears to have been based more on a reactionary response to a range of studies that only shows correlation between a single predator’s numbers and the decrease in one range of its potential prey. For this to at all be a reasonable conclusion, we’d have to expect that the studies look at the overall number of predators in relation to native wildlife (including any and all native predators) before attempting to draw a causative conclusion based solely on feline impact.

    For those of you who are interested in the effects of targeted removal of introduced species’ from an ecosystem, the studies I found in researching this information are:

    Bergstrom, D. M., Lucieer, A., Kiefer, K., Wasley, J., Belbin, L., Pedersen, T. K. and Chown, S. L. (2009), Indirect effects of invasive species removal devastate World Heritage Island. Journal of Applied Ecology, 46: 73–81. doi: 10.1111/j.1365-2664.2008.01601.x

    Erika S. Zavaleta, Richard J. Hobbs, Harold A. Mooney, Viewing invasive species removal in a whole-ecosystem context, Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Volume 16, Issue 8, 1 August 2001, Pages 454-459, ISSN 0169-5347, 10.1016/S0169-5347(01)02194-2.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Pete – good to hear your agreement on the first line. This would be a great start.

      As for ecosystem effects, there is no doubt that we need to control other pests too. The fact is we are doing that in many areas but not controlling cats. Because we are too scared to have this conversation.

      • Guest

        Nice work Geoff. You show him who’s boss. Blind following and ignoring other peoples arguments/opinions FTW.

      • Pete S.

        While I’d like to note that my commentary in no way actually mentioned any need to control other pests (as it is an entirely irrelelevant point to the discussion at hand, and only serves to detract from actual debate regarding cats’ effects on New Zealand’s ecosystem), it seems far more relevant to point out that a supposed fear of this conversation would, in fact, preclude the conversation that we just so happen to be having right here. I’d thank you not to attempt to stonewall opposing debate via emotive language and strawmanning.

        That said, there is a marked difference between ‘pest control’ and ‘pest eradication’. Yes, feral cats can (and do) have a negative impact on aspects of native New Zealand ecology. However, feral cats are not domestic cats (as may be evidenced by their respective monikers of ‘feral’ and ‘domestic’), and on top of this the removal of cats from New Zealand in their entirety (as is suggested by use of the term ‘eradication’ and, if not outright stated, at the very least strongly implied to be the aim of this movement given that there is a section named ‘NZ Without cats’ as well as the numerous sections using emotive language and appeals to pity) is quite likely to have disasterous effects on the same native wildlife that you are attempting to defend.

        Demonizing a single predator and calling for its removal is a short-sighted and entirely counterproductive move in terms of actually accomplishing your supposed conservation goal. It would be a much more impactful and viable solution to push for enforcement of neutering and micro-chipping domestic cats, as well as more stringent restrictions regarding punishment for owners of cats found to have interfered with native wildlife.

        In fact, this is the same process that Australia has in place regarding domestic pets (of ANY kind) and native flora and fauna. We could try taking a page out of their book before resorting to such drastic measures as the removal of an entire species from the ecosystem. Especially given that the risk of that happening was the problem in the first place.

        • I love oatmeal

          I’m pretty sure the ‘eradicating cats from NZ’ is just a publicity stunt and microchipping / bringing public attention to the issue is the main agenda (the petition is actually for microchipping). Effective, but I worry about what happens when one cries wolf too many times.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mickey-Kelly/634113979 Mickey Kelly

        Apologies for jumping in, but is it possible that your fears relating to this conversation are justified precisely because you have sabotaged it in advance? I mean the position you advocate is certainly simplistic, reactionary, repugnant, and rife with the potential for unintended and unwelcome consequences. I like the idea that this whole campaign is a stunt that will soften people up and make them more receptive to a more moderate and achievable proposition like spay and neuter programs and keeping cats indoors.

        Alas, I fear that by pushing the wrong buttons in the first place you may so offend and alienate your audience that, instead of giving any consideration to anything further you might offer by way of compromise, they’ll just add more cats to their household. To spite you.

        That would be an example of unintended consequences, too, wouldn’t it?

    • Paul

      your point is valid in the sense that removal of one problem may give rise to another and total eradication of cats would just be just a pipe dream anyway. There are very many people who breed and adore cats. And they can all vote ….in this democracy. So it wouldn’t happen for that reason alone.But I think its more about informed people becoming more responsible with their pets. That’s the message. Reading comments below, with shock and horror ,there are so many ill-informed people on the ‘cat loving’ side of the equation …they just react without thinking …and this website may help address that problem.

    • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

      Finally someone with a wee bit of a brain replied. Good read!

  • http://www.facebook.com/tan.hyde Tanya Hyde

    Your logic is flawed, there are many natural predators in NZ and cats aren’t the only culprits. I’m a responsible owner and I keep my cats indoors – mainly for their own safety but it means they aren’t able to hunt.

    I agree that all pets should be chipped and de-sexed and we should use registered breeders instead of allowing inexperienced owners to breed, but we got our kittens from an excellent catch, neuter, release system that takes feral cats, neuters the mothers and de-sexes the kittens before socialising them and putting them up for adoption, thereby reducing the feral population.

    There are better ways to help native birds than wiping out another species. If we wiped out one predator to protect its prey we’d destroy the food chain.

  • Frank.

    keeping a cat inside for it’s whole life is cruel. cats are not natural sadists. they just think they’re hunting to survive.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Studies have shown that cats hunt independent of hunger. A well fed cat kills less, but still kills. Call it instinct, call it sadistic, it doesn’t matter. The result is the same.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        which studies man? Your own? I have 2 cats now, my mother have 3 and i feed over than 10 homeless ones and the birds are flying all the time arond them and they dont even mind about it. They sing, jump and fly around and the cats dont even look to them. Dont call studies a group of 5 cats that you locked up in a room and killed a mouse, bird or whatever.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

      its not Cruel Frank. My 2 cats are 8 years old and are happy inside. More happy that the ones who are murdered by dogs and serial killers as Garreth and Geoff Simons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/remapson Rebekah Mapson

    This is ridiculous. There are other measures that could be taken to protect our native wildlife. What you are suggesting it to remove an animal because of its natural instincts. Next cows will be eradicated to stop greenhouse gases, pigeons will be removed because they poop everywhere, including water supplies and spiders will be wiped out because they are a nuisance to human beings. Get serious. You’re not going to advance as a politician with such a ridiculous policy.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Rebekah, please don’t insult Gareth by calling him a politician. But seriously, are you happy to choose cats over the conservation of our native wildlife?

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        are you happy to choose humans that destroy all nature over the conservation our native wildlife and cats?

        • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

          They say that they are so worried with conservation but i bet that you all love to drive poluent cars, live in a house where once was dozens of trees (and thousand of native species), love to fly in planes who makes disturbing noises to birds and other animais… or do you live in the forest like an aborigin?

          • Paul

            Fran…please….have another drink :)

            your missing the point. Go see your politician about those issues. This dialogue should be about how we can help our sacred native animals.

            I bet you really care about it deep down but you just cant face up. Go into your garden and see if there are any Kereru there. One day there could be.

    • Mard

      Rebekah – please don’t insult politicians by comparing them to this nonsense.

  • Guest

    I cannot understand why anyone thinks that their pet should be allowed to wnder around and defecate on someone else’s property, especially when it is a predator and may kill their neighbour’s own pets.

    What makes cats so privileged? Try it with dogs, rabbits, chooks, sheep or just about anything else you can think of and the authorities are down on you like a ton of bricks. Time to apply the same rules to cats too – impound if wandering uncontrolled.

  • Andrew

    Sorry, my cat’s catch 2-3 birds a year if they are lucky… and they are mostly blackbirds, yet I have had to pull 4 wax-eyes, 2 bellbirds out of the grill of my car…

  • http://www.facebook.com/lcotterarlidge Leanne Cotter-Arlidge

    How ridiculous! Gareth I use to value your opinion, but you are obviously only knowledgeable on economic and financial affairs. Social structure/familial relationships are obviously not your forte so in future perhaps just stick to your knitting. Human beings are far more destructive to the environment and to all other living species, (or what we have not killed off as yet). How about a website to get every person who wants to breed fill out a registration form to see if they qualify! I would rather share a seat with my cat than many of the idiotic people walking the streets.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

      his mother loved a cat more than him. Thats why he´s so full of hate about cats. The cat was cutier and lovely than him. He tried to get a girlfriend, but she loved a cat more than a person with a cold heart like him. He´s just a angry human that want to get rid of cats with silly excuses.

  • joe

    If you want to put cats down and have them wiped out I am sure people will want you leading the line of cats to the needle of youthansia and starting with you. Get your head out of your butt mate all you are doing is stirring up a big storm and as I have said if what you want happens I am sure 98% of NZ families and citizens will want to see you and your followers be put down first. Then LONG LIVE THE CAT!!

    LEAVE CATS ALONE, POSSUMS AND STOAT ARE A BIGGER PROBLEM!!

  • Spasmo

    We recently moved into a new house and quickly discovered that no flower bed around the garden is safe from these things. Every second day there’s fresh excrement in-between the trampled vegetation. We can also not go to sleep without closing all the windows in the house, as we have, on numerous occasions, found one in the house or found hair and paw prints on tables etc. This cannot be very hygienic for myself and my kids. Cats need to be better controlled because the next one I find on my property is likely to get shot.

    • Guest

      Yeah I bet you’d kill a cat, bet that’s the kind of person you are.

      • Spasmo

        You’ll lose money if you place that bet :)

        • Guest

          Oh. So then you’d get someone else to do it cause you couldn’t raise the gun, look an innocent life in the eyes and take it? If not you, then who will you have shoot it? since you said it would likely get shot if found on your property, I doubt your neighbor will look and see a cat in your yard and think “Hurp derp I’ma shoot me a kitty”.

          • Spasmo

            I hunt. I have no problem raising a gun. What I meant was I’m not an unreasonable person. If people can keep their cats out of my house and off my property then own a cat by all means. But I’m not willing to have my property be a halfway house for them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

            Confront the owners before you decide to shoot an animal or maybe even catch it and take it to a shelter… You obviously belong in Texas haha.

          • Spasmo

            Nice stereotyping there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

            Any day ;)

          • Spasmo

            Question for ya, how should I find the owners when most of the cats around here don’t have collars?

          • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

            Fair enough, take them to a shelter? Even just call them to pick them up… at least then it would have hope. Obviously the owners are douche bags and need upper cuts though.
            My neighbour lets her cat out and she attacked someone else for letting there’s out at the same time because they got in a fight, it is ridiculous. If you don’t want your cat hurt or hurting anything else, keep it inside.. .look after it or give it to someone who will.

          • Guest

            Don’t expect calm rational from a gun swinger.

          • Spasmo

            No I don’t suppose you would, seeing as everyone with a firearm, in your eyes, is a mindless hill billy….and the correct term is ‘gun slinger’ by the way..good night.

          • Spasmo

            OK, how about we agree that cats (roaming being part of their nature), just need to be better controlled somehow.

          • Guest

            You got kids. So picture this, your neighbors cat comes over and you
            kill it, about 3 minutes later you hear the little girl next door crying
            cause her Mr fluffy is dead. Nice to see what today’s parents are like, but if your pet went into someones yard and they got shot you’d be all THIS IS AN OUTRAGE NO ONE CAN KILL MY PETS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

      Oh look we have a real charmer. Wanting to kill cats for being hungry because their owners don’t look after them properly, hero. Maybe you should shoot the owners and not the cats for wanting a meal or a place to sleep.

    • Guest

      Hve you tried getting ….. I dont know…….. A DOG. that will keep cats out of your house and off your property

  • steph

    Go home Gareth, you’re drunk.

    • Paul

      You have brilliant opportunity to say something ,hear it discussed at least. Be grateful.
      Cat gotcha tongue?? Dare you to say something constructive. Some of you lobby have manged it. Not many though. Need more.

      • steph

        This whole thing is laughable, don’t be upset if I’m not taking it seriously.

        • Paul

          Not at all…I applaud you coming back with a rational statement at least.

          Don’t agree with you obviously.

          Well all I can say is if you will just allow me to share but one experience I had in the past.. to do with cats.
          No need to reply
          A while ago, I was helping a friend tidy the back of his beach house at Seatoun bay in Wellington. We lifted up portable decking and hiding below, we found a large native common gecko. It was beautiful to us. Don’t know why. It just was. We replaced the decking with the Gecko also to its hiding place.

          That afternoon a neighbor called over and we spoke of the gecko to her.
          She said when they first arrived a year ago…their cat used to bring one to her door everyday and ” it looked so cute…the way the cat had done that for us”. ” but it doesn’t bring them anymore” she said.
          And Eric and I were just silent.
          I guess its all about what you care about isn’t it.
          I just cannot laugh at that. :(

  • Blair Rawhiti

    Oh good….more salmonella for everyone

  • Chris

    This is what I think of your anti-cat petition.

  • Guest

    My cat is only helping the birds out, killing off the weak, slow ones so the best gene lines are left

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thank you for your selfless act of Darwinism. Unfortunately native birds are not adapted to deal with mammal predators at all, so there will be no gene lines left. That is the point.

      • Mard

        The proper birds will survive. Some of those weird ones what can’t fly are probably done for, but then they are failed birds really innit.

  • http://twitter.com/petimorgan Peti Morgan

    Gareth while I don’t doubt your facts and I understand your intentions, I think this approach is extreme. Can you honestly see a phasing out of cats as domestic pets in our future? Your efforts will be much more likely to be rewarded if you were to instead raise awareness about the importance of neutering, use of a bell, and keeping cats inside (at least at night). I’m quite shocked and disappointed with what you’ve done here, and doubt that you’ll reach the very people you need to – the people who own and love cats – because of your extreme approach. It’s quite clear that you dislike cats, which presents an immediate bias. I am likely to have cats in my family until I die, and will continue to act responsibly to avoid native wildlife deaths by their paws – and would support your cause whole heatedly if this was your stance too.

  • I love oatmeal

    You guys might want to add this to the list of media resources http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks oatmeal. Yes we used the research behind this (kitty cams) in developing the site.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrew.landmann Andrew Landmann

    I must say you are pretty brave in suggesting this and giving your name to the publicity, I felt I was pretty “educated” on cat behaviour and human/feline relationships, and your comments appear contra to most civilised norms of acceptable behaviour, given the family nature of the nbond between human and feline.The proposal goes against at least seven thousand years of human history, and whilst today they may have outlived their vermin catching use in the urban centres, they undoubtedly add value by fostering emotions such as love, grief, worry, anxiety and tolerance to our modern lives. Yes, cats are killers, and as such they were encouraged into our homes to kill vermin, and over time they became pets and part of the human psyche. Dogs too are killers, so are some species of bird, and I’m sure if we look hard enough the odd malignly minded evil gerbil will be found, but to solely focus on one much loved species appears wrong. I think you may be facing a very long wait in legislative action over the perceived cat situation, given that nature of our democracy and that 48% of NZ households share their homes with at least 1 cat.

    • Lionel Katz

      I once had an evil gerbil but a bird ate it!

  • Jake

    why not try to control the stray cats? they would be doing more damage than the house cats. What do they do? Sleep on the bed? wow they are so dangerous we better start watching our self they may go from native beds to there owner

    • Lionel Katz

      Yes, stop killing the native beds!

    • Paul

      Yes , they sleep on the bed before ‘you’ put them out at night to ‘stray’ and go on killing spree.

  • keith

    These soulless creatures do not ‘belong’ to their assumed owners. The ‘owners’ pay no registration and therefore no consideration for the damage and muck these undomesticatable creatures spread. Govt should force the ‘owners’ to pay stiff fees to own such a detestable animal…

    • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

      If anyone is soulless here, I believe it is you.

    • Lionel Katz

      Do birds have souls?

    • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

      Well guess what Keith. John Key has rubbished Gareth Morgans opinions as ”barking mad”. See what he did there…”Barking mad”

  • Jason

    Hey Gareth…So on the state highways and other roads of this country hundreds of NZ birds are killed by motor vehicles..
    http://notornis.osnz.org.nz/system/files/Notornis_56_2_95.pdf..
    So does that mean using your theory we should eradicate ALL motor vehicles from NZ roads?
    I’m sure you could use your time and money and effort in trying to fix the phoenix!!!

    • Luba

      or try to fix the blackcaps

  • http://www.facebook.com/thejockeyandhorse Stacey Shadbolt

    so should we also eradicate Maoris for killing the moa and numerous other species I have many more examples and to be honest I think you need to shut your page down, I’m sure you will receive threats because of it

  • toplel

    >calls cats sadists

    > wants to wipe out 1.4 millions lives

    >is not a sadist?

    >seig heil Gareth

    • Uschi

      Gareth is talking about conservation thats all . Nazis probably would have been on your side mate.
      ps ;its spelled ‘Sieg Heil’

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        hitler was talking about conservation too. He wanted a Germany without introduced species. He used sutpid experiments and studies (just as Gareth is doing) to prove that Arians were superior and to justify all the killing in name of the purification of Earth

        • Paul

          Hitler’s dead..thank goodness
          You must truly have come down in the last shower if you think the murderous ‘final solution’ can be equated to conservation aspirations. Dahh

        • Uschi

          what experiments are you talking about?
          comparing hitlers perverted world view with a suggestion to bring cats under control is simply dumb.

    • Paul

      You are all out tonight that’s for sure. Is it happy hour at sunnyside by any chance?
      Get life elsewhere or contribute something useful to discuss!!

  • keith

    Good on you Gareth… Let the Govt raise revenue from the ‘owners’ of these miserable creatures. Allow us to enjoy the sound of all birdsong and grow vegetables without fear of disease, by classing them as they are. Vermin. And allow us to deal with them as they trespass upon our properties as such.. Well done You…

  • http://twitter.com/sidetrackbot Sidetrack bot

    Have you considered the effect that a removal of the feline population would have on the rodent population?
    I live on the edge of the Waitakere Ranges, on average my cat catches 3 rodents a month and on a rare occasion a bird(normally an Indian Myna), as an economist you should understand this is 36 a year.
    take that only 1% of New Zealand’s feline population that is 42,000 eradicated and 14000 birds.
    For the birds this may seem to be a large number but how many of these are native birds or are they species that drive off the native birds from their food sources?
    Before you demand the removal of cats, why not campaigne to remove rodents, stoats, ferrets and rabbits which cause more damage than a cat.

  • keith

    I do wish you ‘owners’ would stop saying; ‘My cat’. It does not belong to you. You pay no registration and take no legal responsibility for the damage and muck it foists upon your neighbours. I imagine you think the cat loves you! Ha. You are (mostly) deluded and selfish….

    • Guest

      Absolutely moronic comment and an idiotic generalization.

  • Amy

    This all seems like a big fat waste of time and energy. Don’t we have more important things to deal with? Cures for cancer, climate change, getting the NZ economy out of the financial sh*tter?! I don’t know about all of you but I really am sick of my cat dragging maimed and murdered kiwis through his cat door….yeah right! All cats are not murderous and intent on killing….what a gross generalization! That’s like saying all the creepy looking bald-headed big eared men named Gareth Morgan are a bunch of egotistic, misinformed idiots!

    • Paul

      Amy…that’s not nice at all. You sound like Bob Kerridge. Happy to say ‘butt out’ but have no answers. You may get deleted for that..hope so.
      Your cat may not drag Kiwi though the door ,but more likely than not…… because there are no Kiwi for it to dispatch anymore. Kiwi at least put up a good fight. But most NZ native creatures have no answer to cats incredible hunting skills..
      If you were anything smaller than your cat, it could well be dragging you through the cat door and there’s nothing anyone could do about it.
      The site is not trying to fix the world. Just fix cats and the problems they cause.

      • Amy

        That’s because I don’t think this ‘problem’ requires any answers….it’s the circle of life. And quite frankly, I don’t mind the deletion. This is all absolutely absurd and what those in the know call ‘pea-cocking’! I agree that perhaps cats should be micro-chipped and registered, but as far as phasing them out, that is ridiculous. Cats have lived in this country for hundreds of years and have been killing birds for food for just as long. I hardly think that wiping out or eradicating one species for the sake of another is a valid solution. Humans introduced them, now humans (including Gareth Morgan) need to leave well alone and stop trying to change the natural order of things for the sake of our own power. We frig with far too much, if we just left nature to take it’s course we wouldn’t be having these conversations!
        This guy has too much money and too many opinions on matters which quite frankly he is not an expert on. A judge for New Zealand women of the year (or something of the like) – what’s next prime-minister??!! Thank god so many New Zealanders have the sense to rubbish his outlandish ideas!

        • Paul

          Dubai might suit you. Just concrete and whole lot of trucks taking away human waste everyday. Endless ‘greyness’ by comparison to NZ. That’s seems to be all you want …at least going on what you say.

          Putting aside the fact that you obviously have a bit of a Gareth envy crisis going on here. This is nothing to do with him. He just raised a conservation initiative(and good on him) ,like many people have done. Its not knew. Walter Buller started in back in 1880…saw what was happening to Huia for example and used his contacts and skills to do something. was too late though. Hope this isn’t too late.

          Cats haven’t lived here for hundred or years. They were ‘created’ by people …by cat breeders and brought here by people a little over a hundred years ago maybe. The native animals of NZ have not co-evolved with such a formidable terrestrial predator as the cat ,and have no defense. Anyone standing up for a gecko, a Tui, a Pigeon is not a selfish person.
          Your talking like Bob Kerridge….”butt out”…let nature happen…cats will do what cats will do.”
          That’s crap …If you allow me to say so. In the end…in Bob’s world there’s nothing but cats trying to catch introduced finches in a garden deserted of any remnant of it former glory.

          People brought the cats …so people can take them away… or at least control them. As dogs are controlled

          • Amy

            I think Paul, what you are sadly missing is a nuanced argument. Bob Kerridge has indeed provided one. And, perhaps, if you took your blinders off and listened, just listened to what he says, you would understand what is means to do so! (http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Bob-Kerridge-replies-to-Gareth-Morgans-challenge/tabid/506/articleID/33111/Default.aspx). As many of us have said on here, we have no problem with spaying/neutering and micro-chipping our family pets (including cats), what we do take serious issue with is the suggestion that someone like Gareth Morgan (who is also NOT providing a nuanced argument) should tell us what is and is not acceptable for our own homes and this country. Many people on here have correctly identified that cats are in fact a valid and valuable form of pest control. Humans are not having much success in eliminating the pests and predators (yes, that have been introduced) that are in fact more of a danger to our native Birds. So, is it ok to use and abuse? We introduced cats to do the job that we so helplessly fail at. And yes, I agree SOME cats (as Bob Kerridge suggests, the FERAL cats) are endangering some native species, but what would happen if we eradicated all cats? What will you come up with to rid us of rats, mice, stoats, ferrets? Will you personally, Paul, take it upon yourself to kill these pests as you clearly have a lot to say in response to everyone’s comments on here!? What should happen if you fail, would one of us get to decide?? I think you will find that I (and many others) have already suggested (in this post and the others) that we control cats a bit more – as you suggest in your last post to me could be a solution. Perhaps reading, thinking and reflexively examining the arguments of others at hand may benefit the legitimacy of your own argument. I think Gareth Morgan should follow the same advice. What YOU need to accept is that people will not always share your point of view and suggesting that they are drunk or insane is an immature way of responding to difference!
            So, no, it is not happy hour at sunny-side, this is what a discussion where people are entitled to their own views and opinions on the state of this nation looks like…Get used to it! I think it’s called living in a democracy….

          • Paul

            My ”happy hour at sunnyside” comment seemed appropriate at the time. It’s probably been removed anyway.
            Amy you began this thread by calling ‘our side’ ,’misinformed idiots’ so we are all politely hurling accusations aren’t we?.

            My video card has crashed and I’m running my computer in safe mode so I can at least answer emails…do the internet etc. But I can’t listen to that link below , the one you’ve given…and will when I can at home.

            1. I have got my own blinkers on…yes…you are right to point that out. And your argument holds weight to some degree. But my blinkers are there because Ive looked at both sides of the debate all my life and nothing has convinced my it’s ok for people to go get a cat from the SPCA for example, pat it on the head and send it out at night to fight with other cats and almost certainly kill what ever it can, what ever it finds in its path…simply for the sake of it. Especially as most native animals it encounters cant fight back.You cant argue that is acceptable on any Darwinian evolutionary sense unless you accept also Humans can have the same rights as cats,…as ‘natural’ creatures… to then exercise biological control over cats as they see fit too. Anyway I don’t agree with this proposition. I believe all we humans should sort it out.

            2.Remove cats from place and certainly you will have more rats etc. But with rats, you can deal with them…poison them…no one likes them in their backyard killing native species, spreading disease. So everyone would chip in there.
            The head of the NZ Veterinary ass. said something about this outcome ,but I see it as a cynical attempt by them to protect their industry.
            I’ll listen when I get chance

  • keith

    The pro cat lobby may well cry foul at the valid points made against them by the people (and fauna) who suffer the consequences of their ridiculous fascination and, quite rightly, explain the nature of the beast. But your arguments fall flat when you refuse to accept responsibility, or even ownership, for the misery ‘your’ animal causes. If you love your hobby, for that is only what it will ever be, own the cat legally by which means I shall be free to litigate against you….

  • Pedro D

    I live in a rural environment, love the bird life, shoot all cats I find on my property, one was just dropped off, I heard the car leaving, pregnant cat made about 50 mtrs. If you don’t want them don’t drop them in the countryside.

    • Guest

      Well you are a disgusting human being.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lhama.muffin Rhiannon Pickup

      Revolting.

    • Guest

      Your a f**king piece of s**t. You want to try that with my cats, lets see how far you get

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, and I have seen idiots throwing kittens over the predator-proof fence at Rotokare. I killed them all before they could set up residence. These are the attitudes we are up against so the first thing I would support is the compulsory desexing and registration of all cats.

    • Paul

      Good Man. You have every right to shoot the cats.

      The bush is full of cats …killing everything they find. Many of the cats are even wearing flea collars, …probably have stomachs full of Jellymeat and yet are still destroying insects, lizards and birds.

    • http://www.facebook.com/zionkat.comics Zionkat NZ

      More proof that humans are the sadistic & evil predators here. Keep it up Morgan et al, your argument is digging its own grave.

  • Lionel Katz

    Humans kill many species too, what shall we do with them?

    • Uschi

      The law is there to prevent people from killing native animals. Doesnt always work, but it tries.Cats, however get put out at night, when humans go off to bed … and basically have carte blanche to wreak havoc on native lizards,birds and insects. We have a responsibilty to stop the destruction given we created the creatures in the first place.!

  • http://www.facebook.com/gareth.faulkner Gareth Faulkner

    I full heartily agree with what Gareth Morgan is doing here. I am a duck hunter and I get a lot of antis saying rude and abusive things like I am hurting nature but we really enhance it. My father and his friends have spend a lot of their own money into 160 acres that have been brought back to wetlands and all sorts of life is being supported there. Like bitterns, frogs, native ducks.
    One big part of maintaining the wetland is pest control and we have caught and or shot quite a few cats and rats and the general population of the wetland is better. I would love to know how many people commenting on here have really spent much time in the NZ outdoors and have heard the BOOM from a bittern or the chorus of dozens of frogs on dusk.
    I have a little saying that if it is not wearing a collar it is feral and it deserves to die. Which at work got a very upsetting response from two of workmates who have multiple cats and none of them have collars or bells on.
    I would love to know how I can support this further and I fully agree that cats should have the same restrictions that dogs do and full removal is most likely not achievable but you have to aim high and see where you end up.
    PS I can already hear the haters….

    • Martin Nicholls

      I agree, and support what you are doing. I have seen cats swimming to patrol wetland boundaries. However, some of the miscreant cats have had flea collars on. This is the real issue; where residential subdivisions border protected natural areas, especially mainland islands like Ark in the Park, it is the domestic moggies that do most of the damage.

  • B white

    I live rurally and there are a lot of young birds that simply don,t make it with their first flight. Lots are blown out of the nest too. Perhaps these are the ones cats are getting. After all cats don,t fly. You don,t see tigers and lions catching eagles. Cats mainly seem to hunt ground dwellers like nice. I agree that most well fed cats get a bit lazy to hunt and muck round trying to catch birds.

    • jimlevine

      Studies in Georgia using cameras revealed cats to be effective predators of flying birds. They use stealth and quick bursts to catch a bird before it can attain the sky. Young birds will fledge from a nest and spend several weeks on the ground continuing to be fed by parents. Studies show these birds to be especially vulnerable.

      • Martin Nicholls

        Yes, I have made a similar comment.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Trouble is, many of our native birds (indeed most of the threatened ones) spend a lot of their time on the ground where stalking cats can dispatch them. Also, most of our native birds have a stage in their life cycle where they are particularly vulnerable to cat predation. For instance, it is normal for kaka chicks to spend some of their time on the ground, flightless. Cats devastate them at this stage. Also, it is instinctive for a cat to stalk and hunt birds, even if it doesn’t eat it. Cats like to hunt in the cool of the evening when we don’t notice what they are doing, and robins and other native birds like to feed on ground invertebrates at the same time. It is also wrong to believe that cats do not climb trees to catch birds. If there is a nest full of kokako chicks cats will certainly make the effort to climb to get them – to the last chick.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002952403496 Jamie McGilligan Wright

    The fact that you think you can pass a bill in a society where cats have been well known friends and pets of many people is sickening.

    Did a cat scratch you really bad? Grow up.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Sorry for what must have been a tragic loss in your family, but please take the time to understand and digest what Gareth and his supporters are saying. Unless, of course, you do not believe our native fauna is under threat. In the face of almost unanimous scientific and anecdotal evidence, you would be almost alone, except for the pro-cat lobby and the SPCA.

      • Paul

        so frustrating to read J Mc’s comment.

    • Paul

      Why resort to insults ? Who needs to grow here?

      Restriction of cats in society would be a great milestone for conservation and good for cats too. All I hear is them fighting outside every night, whilst competing for territory in neighborhood largely devoid on native birds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/conner.smith.9469 Conner Smith

    Could somebody explain to me why native birds are more important than cats? Or what system you are using to grade which animals deserve survival over others? I would be rather interested to know, though there is no answer as which animals are good and bad is a completely subjective issue and one can not state what Gareth Morgan states in such an objective manner without looking like a bigot.

    • jimlevine

      One distinction could be the species level. If cats (an abundant species) are threatening the survival of an entire species then we as guardians have a responsibility to future generations to do something to protect that species. Another value judgement is that native animals that evolved in a region and are unique have greater biological value than the non-native species that have expanded because humans were acting irresponsibly. Native species have evolved over eons and are suited to and an intergral component of an ecosystem.

      • Martin Nicholls

        Yes. His was a daft comment wasn’t it, but truly representative of what nature conservationists are up against. There is no debate in my view. New Zealand (as the ancestral continent of Zealandia) has been isolated for between 85 and 65 million years and its surviving fauna had, up to the arrival of humans, evolved in the absence of predatory mammals, so our animals are acutely vulnerable to mammalian predation. We have a duty of care and, as such, we also owe it to the rest of the world to protect them. Extinction is forever, but cats will carry on their obliteration of wildlife wherever humans reside. However, having said that, we need a rethink on how we regard native species as companion animals. My foster daughter would hate to lose her cat, but might enjoy having a companion kaka, kea or weka, as many west coasters and Karori residents enjoy by default.

    • Paul

      The system is ‘conservation’ Conner.
      read the comments from others below.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.adams.56232 Elizabeth Adams

    I would like to ask Gareth if he has read ‘Conservation Psychology: Understanding and promoting human care for nature’ by Susan Clayton and Gene Myers published by Blackwell 2009? It’s available in a Kindle edition, so there’s no reason not to read it tonight.

  • http://www.facebook.com/conner.smith.9469 Conner Smith

    https://www.facebook.com/EradicateNativeBirdLifeInNewZealand show your disapproval of this movement with a spontaneous counter movement! Hate new zealands native birds? Look no further! we seek to phase native wildlife out of the ecosystem using none other than, you guessed it, cats!

    • Martin Nicholls

      This is an idiot trolling exercise that would do Paul Henry proud. It is clear that cat lovers would be happy to wipe out New Zealand’s truly unique natural heritage using their cats as the weapon. It is now clear to me that, as with cigarette smoking, legislation to enforce responsible cat ownership is needed more than ever. They have it in Australia and they have a much more positive attitude to their indigenous wildlife than we New Zealanders do. But they are allowed to keep native animals as pets there. This may be what is needed here. We have the world’s smartest parrot and a true character from which to start – kea.

  • Brian

    You Sir are an idealstic Idoit. Would you deprive the elderly, living alone, or in a rest home the comfort and companionship of a cat, or young children who often have a kitten as their first pet.

    One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.

    Go and get a real job and stop jumping on bandwagons to get your name in print.

  • http://twitter.com/NikohlTaylor Nikohl Talyor

    Dumbass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tash.dunlop Tash Dunlop

    your saying get rid of all cats because they eat birds next you will be saying get rid of dogs then u will be saying get rid of sheep goats and cows because they eat plants where will it stop and with out cats we would be over run with rats and mice in my house my cats dont touch birds because they no not to they only catch rats mice and flys
    JUST LEAVE CATS ALONE

    • Paul

      More specifically because they eat ‘too many ‘native birds. Dogs are controlled by regulations and are also much less able to climb trees and raid nests. Have you not noticed. Most sheep, cows and goats end off being worn on your feet and filling your belly before your cat has killed its first endangered species true…but that’s no reason cats should have unrestricted access to destruction.
      ps; there a thing called mice/rat poison for your infestation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rebecca.gloistein Rebecca Gloistein

    I have read you though your site, Are you mentally ill by any chance???

    • Martin Nicholls

      I would say the mental illness is shared by those (mostly females I’ve noticed) who have decided to make personal and ill-founded attacks on a person who is trying to hold a sensible debate on a crucially important topic. Cat owners (as I have long suspected) are pathologically incapable of ever accepting that their moggies kill native animals and a heck of a lot of them. Urban areas are largely native bird-free because of cats. Cat owners are the ones who constantly confound efforts by predator control managers to successfully trap and poison the all-important boundaries to (say) urban or periurban mainland islands in case they kill their precious moggies that stray into protected areas. Ark in the Park have found cat owners and their attitudes to be a seriously intractable problem in pest management because cat ownership is confounding their ability to control all other pest mammals, even a significant distance from the boundary.
      None of this holds a candle to what a number of people do with their unwanted kittens. Suffice to say that in eastern Taranaki the feral cat problem is huge and it’s putting kiwi at risk (young and adult alike). These feral felines are constantly recruited from kittens dumped in the bush.
      Oh, I suspect you won’t know what a mainland island is. Look it up! And check the rest of your reasoning while you’re at it.

      • Paul

        sadly ,Rebecca’s response seems to be typical of the pro cat lobby. Overly emotional ,unreasoned ,offensive and insulting to people who are simply trying to prevent the decline in our native species.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        Urban areas are largely native bird-free because of CONSTRUCTION! Forest, trees and so on cutted off to build houses, factorys, roads and to make room for farms and pastory. Cats are 1% of the problem.

        • Martin Nicholls

          You’re only partly correct, and you’ve chosen to zone in on only one part of my comment, probably the least important in the context of today’s grave situation. It is those few urban areas still rich in native forest that are the most concern. These are now mostly silent, except for places like Wellington; this offers a site where native birds can breed and migrate, only to be eaten by cats and other predatory mammals. But I don’t expect you to listen to any of the facts put forward in this debate. Few of you ever do

          • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

            i have read almost all the comments around here and i´ve replied to many of them. but you also only choose 1 of them instead of the others. I also dont expect you to read any other facts in this debate.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

            Truth is, thats this Gareth wants to get rid of cats to promote green-tourism. So, he wants to get rid of cats of the wildlife to fill it with “humans paying to see species that only exists in NZ”. You disagree? So read this whole website, its written by Gareth itself.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

            his corcern is with the money.Getting big money with tourism. But tourism also disturbs the nature and leads to extinction.

  • Paul

    Ok, so “Crazy Gareth” (as I like to call him) wants to get rid of cats so they will stop eating birds, but is happy for people to have dogs, which regularly chow down on children and the elderly? Whew! That’s bonkers even for him!

    • Paul

      You are missing the point .Dogs are regulated by laws and when they ”chow down on children” ,as you put it, …I doubt there is a single NZ’er that isn’t deeply effected .

      The issue is simply that cats are not regulated by any laws and basically have free rein to do what cats do so well. Kill untold native species.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brendon-Pope/100000644157628 Brendon Pope

    gareth just went through your info and the pic of the cat with horns is straight out lying i am a responsible owner with a fixed and chipped cat no problem with that but i will fight you to your last breath to have the right to live with a cat. if you want a fight you have got one.
    Brendon pope

    • Martin Nicholls

      You sound just like Kerridge. I could say my cat lies around all day, pigs out on chef and bikkies and never catches birds and reptiles but he does. I’ve seen it. His instinct (like that of all cats) is to stalk anything that moves and often birds and reptiles pay with their lives. You’re in denial, mate, and you and others need to accept it. Cats kill birds. They kill a lot of birds. What would you say if you could keep pet kea or kaka? I had a pet kea before it was illegal to keep them and he was the most amazing and intelligent animal I have ever kept. Run rings around any cat in the smarts department. He was free to fly wherever he wanted. He was never caged. What do you think of this idea?

    • Paul

      Why do you want to fight? Gareth’s entitled to his opinion. At least its an informed one. No one wants to take your cat off you Brendon. They just ask that you not replace it when it dies if you care about the environment you live in.

  • R Lodge

    Have you thought about how you would deal with the plague of mice and rats that would appear when the cats are gone, that will do far more damage to the native birds than the cats ever will.

    • Martin Nicholls

      When I was predator control manager at Bushy Park I used to catch and kill between 11 and 16 cats every six months. Some had flea collars and some were entire. Their stomach contents revealed that a few ate rats (despite quite a plague of them over the period of cat trapping), but the overwhelming majority ate birds: mostly blackbirds, but also a precious robin (reintroduced), fantail, tomtit, tui and kereru. Kereru were popular prey with cats, their strewn messes of feathers seen quite often on my baiting and trapping work – evidence of cat predation patterns abounded. For most of the cats examined, rodents were not the preferred prey. Rats and mice would still be a plague and resident cats would still prefer to hunt the easy bird prey. As Gareth rightly says, deal with the rats and mice AND the cats. Cats refuse to earn their keep in this way and are useless in control of rodents on the scale required to make a positive difference to native bird numbers.

      • Guest

        Martin Nicholls R Lodge • 10 hours ago

        When
        I was predator control manager at Bushy Park I used to catch and kill
        between 11 and 16 cats every six months. Some had flea collars and some
        were entire. Their stomach contents revealed that a few ate rats
        (despite quite a plague of them over the period of cat trapping), but
        the overwhelming majority ate birds: mostly blackbirds. ENOUGH SAID

      • Guest

        Firstly my cats kill rats but they seldom eat them, we often find the rat
        bodies, same with stoats and weasels they kill them but do not eat them so no
        you wouldn’t find them in the stomach contents as they do not eat them but
        neither do they leave them alive. I have yet to meet a cat that likes rat to
        eat.

        As for mice, I use my cat in my aviary to control the mice population, in
        her younger days it was commonplace for her to leave the aviary with seven or
        eight mice tails hanging from her mouth. The traps have to be caged to keep the
        birds out and only catch one at a time, the cat will catch several. She is
        quicker and far more efficient than the trap which is why I use her and am
        training up her granddaughter to do the same job. The birds are quite safe
        around her as she knows better and I have accidently shut her in the aviary
        overnight, in the morning there is not a mouse left and the birds are all still
        fluttering and all accounted for.

        I gave a friend two kittens the male has been known to hunt and kill
        rabbits, hares and magpies in addition to the rats and mice, the rat problem she
        had vanished with the introduction of the cats.

        The biggest problem you have is the lazy good for nothings who let there
        cats have kittens and cant be bothered taking them to the spca or finding homes
        for them but instead drive out into the countryside and dump them in the bush or
        next to a farm assuming they can survive by hunting, most starve and are too
        traumatised to go near people but the rest turn into your feral cats which are
        the main problem.

        I hope that those cats you killed with flea collars you at least had the
        decency to inform there owners of there deaths as I have lost a number of much
        loved pet cats that have just vanished overnight, we assume hit by cars but have
        no idea as the bodies have never been found, it would be nice to know what
        happened to them especially when you have just spent over $100 getting a she cat
        spayed.

      • R Lodge

        Firstly my cats kill rats but they seldom eat them, we often find the rat bodies, same with stoats and weasels they kill them but do not eat them so no you wouldn’t find them in the stomach contents as they do not eat them but neither do they leave them alive. I have yet to meet a cat that likes rat to eat.

        As for mice, I use my cat in my aviary to control the mice population, in her younger days it was commonplace for her to leave the aviary with seven or eight mice tails hanging from her mouth. The traps have to be caged to keep the birds out and only catch one at a time, the cat will catch several. She is quicker and far more efficient than the trap which is why I use her and am training up her granddaughter to do the same job. The birds are quite safe around her as she knows better and I have accidently shut her in the aviary overnight, in the morning there is not a mouse left and the birds are all still fluttering and all accounted for.
        I gave a friend two kittens the male has been known to hunt and kill rabbits, hares and magpies in addition to the rats and mice, the rat problem she had vanished with the introduction of the cats.

        The biggest problem you have is the lazy good for nothings who let there cats have kittens and cant be bothered taking them to the spca or finding homes
        for them but instead drive out into the countryside and dump them in the bush or next to a farm assuming they can survive by hunting, most starve and are too traumatised to go near people but the rest turn into your feral cats which are the main problem.

        I hope that those cats you killed with flea collars you at least had the decency to inform there owners of there deaths as I have lost a number of much loved pet cats that have just vanished overnight, we assume hit by cars but have no idea as the bodies have never been found, it would be nice to know what happened to them especially when you have just spent over $100 getting a she cat spayed.

    • Paul
      • R Lodge

        sorry but our cats are far more efficient than any trap, traps we use in places the cats cannot get to. The biggest downfall to a hunting cat is the need to worm them frequently.

        • Paul

          they are very efficient predators. That’s the point of the whole thing.

          • R Lodge

            Yes and if we didnt have them we would be overrun with mice and rats, in my aviary I have used traps but as the cat works better I take her in every two or three weeks, and she takes out anything up to 20 mice each time, I need an efficient predator who knows what she is and isnt allowed to catch, she ignores the birds and cleans up every mouse she can get to.

  • http://twitter.com/five15design Paul Le Comte

    6000 endangered NZ Giant snails had to be removed from a West Coast native bush to make way for a coal mine. In the process 800 were frozen to death by accident by DOC.

    There are 6 NZ Native snails that are now extinct because of human activity, not cats.

    Pacific Blue Fin tuna are now 90% gone – or should I say gone down the mouths of Japanese Sushi lovers.

    There are only 55 Maui Dolphins left in the world, the NZ govt has been told how to save them, the NZ fishing industry has successfully lobbied against protection measures, proving that politics, stupidity & mostly human impact on the environment is greater than cats alone.

    Is this Cat sideshow not belittling the debate about the impact of humanity on the environment?

    You have raised an important issue, but wrapped it around a single emotive issue that really isn’t at the heart of the environmental damage humans are doing. Such a shame.

    • Martin Nicholls

      And we brought cats here to an ecosystem that was isolated for 85my – a land without predatory terrestrial mammals, other than three species of bat – unique, along with that part of the Zealandia continent known as New Caledonia, in the world. This is the issue people forget. Our native animals are nil-equipped to survive the onslaught of predatory introduced mammals and cats are part of the problem that we introduced. Humans have a chance to be part of the solution, but we have to act mighty fast if we are to save what is left. We must get over ourselves and accept the truth about what introduced predatory mammals are doing to our wildlife instead of this blame game that is going on.

  • Martin Nicholls

    I tried to post the first time, but I don’t think it went through. Interesting to compare the boys’ and the girls’ approaches in this debate. I think it’s a dead duck unless there is a political and legislative will to change the Wildlife Act to allow native animals to be kept, bred and raised as pets. Left field? Yours is a good idea and a good start, but it needs to bring the warring factions closer together. Kerridge and the SPCA will never budge, however, but their support is huge, compared with the numbers advocating nature conservation, as a number of the more inane and disheartening comments must show. Maybe the post-cat companion animal void being filled with native species might give it some traction.

  • Martin Nicholls

    Gareth, I hope you are thick-skinned because many of the comments posted are both inane and offensive. They should have been removed. Cat lovers can be truly awful when it comes to responsible ownership and manning up to what cats can do in the environment. Please don’t give up. You are on the right track, but maybe you should fine-tune your direction. At present you are headed for Mt Erebus!

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Martin. Gareth certainly is thick skinned.

    • Guest

      You want peoples comments removed because you dont like them? GROW UP BOY

      • Martin Nicholls

        No, only the offensive ones that attack the person and not the issue. If the pro-cat lobby want to post reasoned comments that add to the debate and not try to shut it down then I am for it, but I have yet to read any. I’m sure there a good arguments on both sides but our vulnerable native fauna needs our support and our protection.

    • Paul

      People are responding angrily because they know its the truth and don’t like to face reality. Everyone who owns a cat has had a lizard, stick insect, weta or native bird deposited on their doorstep at some stage.

  • DC

    So do we also
    need to get rid of the New Zealand falcon,
    the Australasian harrier and the morepork since they kill other animals
    including many birds?

    What a bunch of mindless dribble this Morgan fellow has put
    forth…

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      There is a big difference between a native predator and an introduced one.

      • Paul

        agreed Absolutely Geoff.
        With so many of its prey species in decline…in part due to cats and other introduced predators…its amazing the Falcon is still here at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        unless you are an aborigin, you are an introduced predator in NZ. so please build a huge ship and go back to England ok?

    • Martin Nicholls

      Not only is karearea endemic to New Zealand but it is also endangered, thanks to attitudes like yours. Unlike cats, falcons (and moreporks) are a natural part of the New Zealand ecosystem. So not only are human slayers of these species committing an offence, but such activities are further endangering them. Cats themselves are efficient killers of falcon, as a Country Calendar episode on Marlborough vineyard falcons illustrates. These magnificent birds are serving a useful purpose in praying on introduced pest birds in the vineyards.

    • Paul

      ‘Mindless dribble’ from the jaws cat killing native birds maybe

  • jimlevine

    I don’t think any logical person can argue that cats don’t kill stuff when left to roam. A percentage greater than 50 does. Recent studies in the US suggest that more prey are killed and left (or eaten) than are brought home as gifts. So even if you don’t see it, it happens. I don’t think you can call this ‘natural’ as the domestic cat is not native anywhere and for the most part is subsidized by feeding. Hence creating something unusual….a predator not limited by resources. But, what’s wrong with a cat that is never allowed outside. Many people have inside-only cats that do not prey on anything besides the palmetto bugs that might find their way inside. Yes, by all means, work towards the elimination of all cats that are allowed to roam outside (be they pets or ferals) but to say that people shouldn’t have indoor cats is not a fight that can be won. Why try? More publicity for the issue? Works for me. I mean come on cat lovers, do you really think your cat has an inherent right to stray off your property to kill wildlife? Poop in other people’s yards? Spray cat urine on porch furniture? What kind of neighbor are you?

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi jimlevine – this is exactly what we are arguing for. If people can keep their cats on their property there is no problem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NytesongVampdream Haunted Dybbuk Spirit

    Nooooooo Don’t get rid of the cats!! Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ,,,,==^;^==,,,, I Love ALL animals! No reason to ban cats! Cats are so sweet! Us humans out here… we are no better! You see people out there killing one another, do we ban humans? Do we ban babies from being born? No. We should not ban cats!

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      To be clear we are not advocating banning cats. That is the words of SPCA. Please read the messages on the site before you leap to conclusions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NytesongVampdream Haunted Dybbuk Spirit

    What Part Of Meow Don’t You Understand? >^;^< Meow!

  • Tom Huckabbee

    Humans should be exterminated first

  • the internet

    You know who does far more damage to native species than cats ? Well meaning idiots who point the finger of blame at one species for the problems far more subtly and pervasively caused by another.

    And do some real research please, you know, the scientific, peer-reviewed PROVABLE kind.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi internet, happy to discuss any peer reviewed science you have that refutes the peer reviewed science we have used. Otherwise your words sound like meaningless platitudes designed to hide from the facts.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Read the data, for goodness sake. It’s out there in tomes. The near extinction of kakapo on Stewart Island (saved at the eleventh hour by translocation to Codfish Island), elimination of weka, kiwi and chevron skink… These are the legacy of cat predation and these include straying domestic moggies with flea collars. Then there are the real vandals – those who release unwanted kittens into protected conservation areas (some mainland islands) because they could not be bothered neutering and spaying their pets. Read what Gareth Morgan actually has to say before commenting. He is far more moderate and reasoned than most of those posting on this site.

  • Trixies Dad

    What’s done is done man. Just like any country, once introduced, there is really nothing you can do. There are probably enough ferell cats now that you couldn’t get rid of all of them, even if you could convince the largest cat loving population on the planet to get rid of their cats.
    Accept it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kathryn.dunigan.7 Kathryn Dunigan

    I’m a cat owner and lover myself and I agree with your statistics. But if you want to win the fight for New Zealand wildlife I think you’re going to have to go about it differently, by campaigning for people to keep their cats STRICTLY indoors. Cats that are outside can be hit by cars, attacked by dogs and wild animals, and injured in catfights. It’s just laziness to let your cat outside to eliminate rather than cleaning a litterbox. People who love their cat keep it inside where it’s safe.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Kathryn, you sound like a responsible pet owner. Keeping your cat inside is one of the options we talk about on the site.

    • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

      Ok Kathryn, I will never air out my house ever again so it stays all damp and mouldy. So in summertime it will be to hot. How would you like to be kept inside at all times? By using kitty litter will cause more council rubbish bags and that will be even more waste going to a refuse stations. So yea this is what this site is actually all about, keeping the environment nice not about forcing what you do onto other people.

  • kat

    when you lessen the population of cats other praetor’s will move that all sudden wasn’t much of problem become so, so limiting the population of cats its the answer! really nobody should brought pets over in foreign place in the first place but now that it happen the best answer would be get sanctuary place for the birds so they can be safe and protected but we are living in a world where animals we love are dying out and I really think lessen one spices doesn’t help if anything we should just try protect the ones that are left but maybe they are meant to go…and we might have to take it as that but I think if where going to go far as to lessen cats we should lessen dogs because there next to get the birds there more dogs then cats out in the world really none of this should be necessary I just think some really neat small species of animals do die out and its said but we have to face that sometime there not much u can do, like my favorite animals are cats and big cats and so many people hunt tiger there going extinct same with the lynx, ocolet and other cat species sometime y have to take it as it is but I know sanctuary do help I think time should be spent funding for sanctuary not lessen other spices to lessen the population of cats it only be fair to lessen the species of all the other animals that come next that are predator and I know its not worth it.. I will protect the cats they are my favorite animal in this world!l!!!!!

    • Martin Nicholls

      Trouble is, cats invade protected areas (often from residential areas) and this can confound attempts to manage other pets through poisoning and trapping because it is illegal to set traps and bait stations where companion animals can be affected. With dogs it is easy. They may be tied up kept inside fenced properties or taken on a leash. I see a lot of denial among cat owners but precious little in the way of responsibility towards protecting our precious, unique and vulnerable wildlife from cat predation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.gibb.14 Michael Gibb

    What species is that horned cat with red eyes? I want one of those!

    • Paul

      ‘Felis catus’ is the spp. The horns are retractable and only come out after dark. If you want one you’ll find a ready supply in your back garden.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-J-Mercieca/100000896280213 John J. Mercieca

    I have heard some retarded crap in my lifetime but this one is right at the top of the list. Gareth Morgan, go suicide, you’re using up our precious air.

    • Paul

      There’s plenty of air for everyone. And recommending someone kill themselves to appease your personal views , because you don’t agree is as sad as it gets. But then your are a good spokesperson for the cat lobby… as your sentiments are very typical.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.gibb.14 Michael Gibb

    Let me start by saying this whole thing is idiotic. However, if you want to be taken seriously and actually garner support, you should start by dumping the moderator, Geoff Simmons. Not only are his responses moronic and unhelpful to say the least, but he seems to be the equivalent of a telemarketer on a script. Regardless, this thing is going nowhere, and I’m a little upset with myself for having actually come to the site, other than the fact that I now know that a red-eyed cat with horns does in fact exist.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Well go off it then. Natural New Zealand supporters do not expect an overnight support for this initiative, but we all need to start accepting some facts, something cat owners are clearly unable to do. The first thing to do is to moderate out the offensive comments against messers Morgan and Simmons that appear on this site.
      On the other side of the coin, the Cats to Go campaign needs to accept a human need for companion animals. If our moggies are excluded this would leave a huge void among a huge number of people. How about native animals as pets? This is as big a no-go area among conservationists as banning cats is to the SPCA.

  • Syd Johnson

    Hey, I have several extra bumper stickers – “Cat – the other white meat” if you’d like some. Let me know and I’ll mail them to you.
    Cheers

  • http://www.facebook.com/mike.s.wilson.18 Mike S. Wilson

    well lets see so by your logic then we should get rid of humans because the almost exstinktion of bangel tor any other animal that causes or possible exstinktion of a mammal like the hump back whales or maybe we should get rid of people like you but i shake your hand for caring about gods creatures but you swing from haveingem to getting rid of them your not god the only solution i saw was for people to put bells on the cats callor then the birds can hear them and fly away, it’s people like you that think one minded and thats whats destroying this world. thank you an goodnight

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Mike. We aren’t calling for cats to be harmed in any way. What we are suggesting is that pet owners make this cat their last, or at the very least are made responsible for their pets. Incidentally bells are only 50% effective. Birds don’t always associate bells with danger.

  • Guest

    I agree with you 100%. Cats are indiscriminate killers and need to go. Cat owners are unrealistic and unfair when it comes to their pet. If you want a cat, fine. KEEP IT INDOORS. DO NOT LET IT OUTSIDE. Period. End of discussion.
    Your cat poops and pees anywhere it likes. It digs and messes in my garden. It spreads diseases like toxoplasmosis and you, irresponsible cat owner, thinks it’s okay because you think your cat is cute.
    I think the birds are cute and I think they need to be protected. Thank you Mr. Morgan for standing up, speaking up, and pointing out the facts.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Guest.

    • Paul

      Thanks Guest

    • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

      funny that the Guest doens shoes his name. Why not? Doesnt want to anyone to know you ´re retarded? you only get toxoplasmosis if you put CAT POOP on your mouth. And cats only get sick if eat infected rats. Go study a little man.

  • Sarah

    Your poll doesn’t reflect the results of other polls I’ve been listening to, I think the wording is slightly unclear and you’d be better off with this wording:

    In a hundred years do we want no native animals, flightless birds or creatures who’ve lived unchanged for thousands of years, or do we want Samson the pet cat? In the interest of protecting native species, we’d like to ask your opinion.
    Would you be prepared to not purchase another cat – answer ‘Yes’.
    If you would buy another cat – answer ‘No’.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Sarah, might be something we can try in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Savik/100000116053749 James Savik

    How did you sick f*ks get so twisted?

    Cats have eaten birds since before humans came down from the trees and became self-righteous monkeys.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Not in New Zealand they haven’t.

    • Paul

      No one is sick. Just your language perhaps.

      The issue is just that cats are eating NZ birds, Lizards and insects out of existence. NZ’s native animals evolved in a world without cats and other similar predators and have no defenses against them.

      • Delboy

        Nothing’s killed as many native creatures in this country as humans have!!! Wiping out their habitats, laying poison, traps, clearing forests for subdivisions, pollution of waterways, the list goes on. Dogs are also busy killing wildlife. Lets get rid of all types of pets just to be on the safe side. Education if the key, not elimination…

        • Paul

          Humans and Rats are directly responsible for most of the bird extinctions . True. But cats are the’ third’ most destructive force after them. well ahead of stoats and ferrets
          Human behaviour is now regulated by wildlife protection acts and resource management acts.

          Rats populations are regulated by pest destruction boards for example, and home owners can unashamedly go to the supermarket and buy rat poison.
          But cats have no controls are allowed to kill and destroy the native wildlife with impunity.

          Something wrong there Delboy

  • mike

    By promoting the eradication of cats through channels that demonize the feline species to the equivalent of, say greenhouse gases, do you think that this will send the message to some people that it will be okay to purposefully kill, maim, torture cats due to the negative ecological impact on the bird species. I realize that this is the (maybe) the last thing you propose, but extremists like Gareth Morgan may feel this is necessary to quicken the steps. Furthermore, when the bird population lacks any predators and eventually becomes out of control what do you then propose?

    There are other factors that effect avian species. Maybe NZ should halt all flights incase a bird is accidentally hit by a plane.

    How does Gareth Morgan feel about cows and the level of methane they produce? Birds need to breathe?

  • Ziggy

    Finally someone dares to address this topic ! There are far too many cats in this country ! I could not agree more with Gareth but would never say out loud my opinion for fear I will get lynched but cat lovers.

  • Xavier Payne

    My wife and I were so happy to hear about the “Cats to Go” campaign. Here in Christchurch, we have been fighting a losing battle to do something about the extreme overpopulation of domestic cats. I must have made 200 calls over the past five years to the City Council, Animal Control, the Department of Conservation (DOC), Bird and Forest Society, the (hopeless) SPCA, the Police, etc etc, and, as someone at DOC said to try to shut me up, a solution to the cat problem is “a bridge too far” at this point in time. Every morning cats sit on the other side of our fenceline, crouched and waiting for any bird to land on the fence, then they leap up, grab the bird, run off to their own place and torture and tear apart the beautiful little creatures, some of which are “fully protected” under the law. Over and over, I chase outside and try to find the cat before it has killed the bird, but I’m usually too late, and when I do rescue a bird, they typically die on the way to the Bird and Animal Hospital, which I have visited endless times with injured birds at the hands of deadly cats in this part of Christchurch. I have spent quite a bit of money rigging up various devices to keep the cats off the fence, and I’ve had to do the same around our windows since cats come into our house through the windows (especially at night) and prowl around. These are domestic cats since I recognize some of them. The neighbours have no sympathy for us when I confront them about their cats, nor do they have any feelings for the birds and other wildlife their cats kill, or the nuisance they cause to their neighbours. As you can see from the comments here by cat owners, they are completely out of it, unthinking and insensitive, with many as cruel and unfeeling as their cats — I guess it’s true that pet owners resemble their pets, not only physically but pesonality-wise as well. We moved to NZ about five years ago from New Orleans which was a real culture shock when it came to cats since New Orleans has very strict cat control laws that do not allow cats to roam free whatsoever. They must be on a leash if taken outside. We couldn’t believe the mindset of people here about cats. It reminds me of the American attitude toward guns. Somehow, like guns in the USA, cats have become embedded in the NZ psyche and cats owners cannot see the wide picture no matter how many good arguments are put before them. New Zealand is a rare land in which birds did not need to evolve defenses against land predators, and it is the last country that should have such a wild west attitude about instinctual bird killers like cats, and how insane it is that NZ should actually have the highest rate of cat ownership in the world. A psychotic situation exists here and we salute you, Gareth and Simon and everyone else involved in Cats to Go, for your courageous attempt to make a difference to the magnificent native wildlife of New Zealand.

  • Xavier Payne

    My wife and I were so happy to hear about the “Cats to Go” campaign. Here in Christchurch, we have been fighting a losing battle to do something about the extreme overpopulation of domestic cats. I must have made 200 calls over the past five years to the City Council, Animal Control, the Department of Conservation (DOC), Bird and Forest Society, the (hopeless) SPCA, the Police, etc etc, and, as someone at DOC said to try to shut me up, a solution to the cat problem is “a bridge too far” at this point in time. Every morning cats sit on the other side of our fenceline, crouched and waiting for any bird to land on the fence, then they leap up, grab the bird, run off to their own place and torture and tear apart the beautiful little creatures, some of which are “fully protected” under the law. Over and over, I chase outside and try to find the cat before it has killed the bird, but I’m usually too late, and when I do rescue a bird, they typically die on the way to the Bird and Animal Hospital, which I have visited endless times with injured birds at the hands of deadly cats in this part of Christchurch. I have spent quite a bit of money rigging up various devices to keep the cats off the fence, and I’ve had to do the same around our windows since cats come into our house through the windows (especially at night) and prowl around. These are domestic cats since I recognize some of them. The neighbours have no sympathy for us when I confront them about their cats, nor do they have any feelings for the birds and other wildlife their cats kill, or the nuisance they cause to their neighbours. We moved to NZ about five years ago from New Orleans which was a real culture shock when it came to cats since New Orleans has very strict cat control laws that do not allow cats to roam free whatsoever. They must be on a leash if taken outside. We couldn’t believe the mindset of people here about cats. It reminds me of the American attitude toward guns. Somehow, like guns in the USA, cats have become embedded in the NZ psyche and they cannot see the wide picture no matter how many good arguments are put before them. New Zealand is a rare land in which birds did not need to evolve defenses against land predators, and it is the last country that should have such a wild west attitude about instinctual bird killers like cats, and how insane it is that NZ should actually have the highest rate of cat ownership in the world. A psychotic situation exists here and we salute you, Gareth and Simon and everyone else involved in Cats to Go, for your courageous attempt to make a difference to the magnificent native wildlife of New Zealand.

    • Guest

      If you dont like it go back to America. No need for winy forigeners

      • Xavier Payne

        Eat you cat’s s**t, you ignorant low-life a***hole. I don’t want their shit in my garden, nor do I want them keeping me up at night while they fight. Keep them inside where you can fondle them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

          Rather fondle a pussy than a vege mate.

  • Paul

    Fantastic helpful website Gareth. Thank you very much for starting it . It’s well overdue. Reading below, the site is clearly up against people who are more inclined to respond emotionally …and see it as some kind of personal attack on themselves, rather than accept its not personal , but simply a pragmatic approach to protecting NZ’s declining biodiversity. Cats are a serious ‘unregulated’ predator that need controlling in some way. They’ve certainly contributed to the extinction of S.I Piopio, Chatham Island Bellbird, Chat.I. Fernbird, Bush Wren, Lyall’s Wren, N.I. Island Snipe, S.I Snipe, Forbe’s Snipe, Maquarie Island Rail, Hutton’s Rail, and NZ Quail. And possibly contributed to the extinction of 10 other species including the Huia. In terms of their contribution to NZ bird extinctions… they rank higher than stoats and ferrets by a county mile.
    Paul Martinson

  • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

    Thank you for raising this Gareth. I don’t see why I should be obliged
    to put up with other peoples cats on my property. They piss everywhere,
    stinking out my car and my shoes if I leave them out to dry. They
    defecate on my lawn for my toddler to pick up and for our newly crawling
    baby to gobble, and they leave piles of feathers where once there were
    birds I enjoyed having around the place. We have dozens of cats that
    regularly use my section as a hangout area and a toilet and I don’t want
    them. Not the cute ones, not the fat ones, not the fluffy ones, not the
    lazy ones, not the ones with bells around their neck. I wish people
    respected my right not to have their pestilent cats inflicted on me and my environment.

    I have long toyed with the idea of taking back my yard by setting traps for the trespassing cats but have refrained. Cat owners are too psycho as we can see from such a large proportion of the submissions here. I live here and it is easier to live with pestilent cats than antagonised psycho neighbors.

    • Guest

      Dont like cats in your yard. GET A DOG

      • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

        I don’t want a dog. I like dogs but don’t have time to walk them, feed them etc. What about a Timms trap. Very low maintenance, low cost. Very effective.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      Thanks Carl. In Australia they have strict laws on cats to manage this problem, check out: http://dlg.wa.gov.au/Content/Legislation/ResponsibleCatOwnership.aspx

      I think people should use cage live-traps on cats in their back yard, box them and leave them on the doorstep of the local authority until they bring the same policies in here and provide a way of eradicating strays.

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        So what Gareth? New Zealand is a different country than Australia. Besides it’s not all of Australia so if your point is we should follow Australia, then we are?

    • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

      ”I don’t see why I should feel obliged”
      Dearest Carl this argument is supposed to be about bird life being hunted by cats. You are being totally over the top. I really don’t believe it when you say you encounter so much cat urine as you mention. In your car… I highly doubt that and call your bluff. Piles of feathers? So these supposed hoards of cats are so smart they just pile up feathers where birds use to live? You seem like you are in a dark place buddy. Seriously you sound like the psychotic one not your cat owning neighbours. ”Taking back your yard” really? What? Are you at war? I feel sorry for your toddler having such an angry father. How about you get to know your psycho neighbours instead of letting your feelings fester?

      • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

        Sorry where I said piles of feathers I should have said remains of bird. Yes I have found bird remains a few times in the past couple of years and we have precious few birds anyway. Yes at times the car can stink with the cat urine. I think they must compete over the front right tire. I haven’t seriously thought about the issue till now and have no problems with any neighbours. I don’t know who owns the cats and don’t care because it is a general issue and a historic one of what we as a society see as responsible cat ownership. I have friends, for that matter parents, who let their cats wander freely and though I disagree with that I understand why it is and certainly don’t get upset about it. But generally yes I have rat traps and a possom trap because I have had those pests in the past, yet at the moment the biggest pest issue I have is a fairly large population of cats. So if I felt there was a reasonable to do so I would happily get rid of them. You git.

  • Guest

    I suggest that perhaps Garth should be put to sleep for suggesting such a thing ,Is’nt it shown that kids who bully animals grow up to be murders? ;-)

    • Paul

      Whose bullying who?

      People who try to eliminate introduced predators such as cats ferret and stoats from NZ… simply want a better country for their children, a greater diversity of wildlife and native bush that isn’t silent.

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        Paul, did you just read what you wrote? A cat is a pet. Feral cats are pests. I want my children to grow up knowing they can have a pet if they are responsible enough to have one. Most people I know who ”eliminate pests” do it for fun. I said most not all. Not for a better country for their children. Stop being over dramatic.

        • Paul

          Sometimes Johnson you can only answer things in a such way when youre up against someone who is responding as GUEST did above.

          Its really nice and refreshing to get a reasonable and rational response from someone who cares for cats. Thanks

          People who kill animals for the fun of killing make me very sad too.

          I see animals..all animals as unique creatures…entities in their own right…like we are….deserving of respect in that sense.

          But almost all cats are seriously good predators and a major problem to NZ native animals who have no defense against them.

          My personal view is it would be a wonderful country without cats and Ive formed that view after working for 30 years in the area of protection and promotion of NZ’s endangered species.

          Most cats are pets but what happens when they go out at night? You know what happens Im sure.

          Its a difficult one …but it is morally right to inform people how dangerous their pet is.

          And the message …make your cat your last cat is laudable and unaggressive. Esp because its a plea on behalf of conservation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crazygamer366 Kelly Stark

    I think your a problem and should go away … I love my cats and I will get as many as I want too

    • Paul

      rather selfish of you.

  • Max

    How do you discourage annoying neighborhood cats from constantly coming into your garden when you’re trying to encourage the birds?

    • Paul

      throw plums at them

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      Good question Max. In Australia they have strict laws on cats to manage this problem, check out: http://dlg.wa.gov.au/Content/Legislation/ResponsibleCatOwnership.aspx

      I think people should use cage live-traps on cats in their back yard, box them and leave them on the doorstep of the local authority until they bring the same policies in here and provide a way of eradicating strays and unregistered cats.

      • Mard

        So you advocate traumatizing a cat by leaving it with no food or water in a box, and traumatizing the owner who may rely on their pet for emotional support. I know you dont want swearing on hear but you really are a b*st*rd.

  • Jody

    Instead of getting people up in arms by saying get rid of cats in NZ, how about advocating for cat owners to keep their pets in inside at night, de-sex pets & make the right steps toward being responsible pet owners.

    • Paul

      if only people were as responsible as you.
      But they are not sadly

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      Hi Jody, that is exactly what I am advocating… if people can’t face not replacing their current cat when it dies.

      • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

        i hope no one replaces a brainless and emotionless person like you when you die. The Earth and the living ones thanks a lot.

    • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

      My cat has never caught an owl? Birds aren’t even around at night. So now not only do you want me to pay for a pointless chip, register my cat, I now have to replace my cat door, supply kitty litter and pay for more rubbish bags to clog up city dumps? That is much much worse for the environement. Please consider things outside black and white Gareth

  • Will

    Yo Gareth stay out of peoples lives, if you dont like cats dont own them but dont rage away at others when most cats are actually just doing what mother nature taught them you cant change the balance of life and also its not just the cats that kill, dogs do it rats do it and possums and stoats do it even other birds themselves kill eachother off, and keeping cats inside 24 hours a day thats probably one of the most inhumane things to do as cats are born to roam and travel and when they come home they come home they need there outside time and if you restrict them of that they will hunger for more in the outside. and also your statement if you feed your cat and it sees a bird it will go for it is bullshit because i feed my cat well everyday twice and birds walk in the backyard and steal her food she doesnt attack and act like a killer so chill out man. all i have to say now is clear the waitaks of cats and other native bush and youll be right but also youll have to clear all pests from the countrie to stop native bird deaths, to be honest mate youre overeacting about the whole deal and youve obviously got issues with cats so heres my help to you, DONT BUY ONE! if you dont like them.

    • Paul

      Its more than just about you and your harmless kitty. Its about Cats in ‘general’ and their destructiveness to native birds ,lizards and invertebrates. Its natural for predators like cats to kill .True. Most animals kill something for living. Humans as much as any creature. The point is cats kill indiscriminately and without restriction in most cases. Especially Ferrel cats..but Ferrel cats were once domestic cats.

  • natsera

    I’ve posted this in a few other places as well: a more reasonable solution would be to require breeders to spay or neuter any kitten that leaves their house, and to require the new owners to register the cat, and pass a law that says cats are to be indoors only. If a cat is caught outdoors, then it should go to a shelter to be rehomed with a family that will keep it indoors, and the previous owners should have to pay a hefty fine. All my many cats over the years have been indoors only, and they have been perfectly happy — it’s safer for THEM not to be run over by a car, or infected with a fatal disease during a cat fight or get eaten by a coyote (I live in the Western US). There is no need to eliminate cats from NZ, just a need to take care of them properly. And if you are accommodating, I think most cat-owners will be accommodating too — I doubt they want to see native wildlife exterminated any more than you do.

    • Paul

      Good thought…..and its worth a try……if only it would work. The trouble is, it would be almost impossible to get people to totally comply with what you suggest. Some would , but not enough. NZ and the Hawaiian Islands together account for HALF the worlds modern bird extinctions. Cats and other similar predators are simply too destructive here, in these Islands. The native birds and other native animals have evolved in isolation and have no defense against them.

      • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

        If I knew that a regime like this was in place then I would feel OK about baiting my Timms trap for cat. That would allow me to eliminate from my back yard the feral cats and the few cats owned by irresponsible owners.

        • Paul

          Im pretty sure its not illegal for you to bait your trap now. Pest destruction boards kill cats all the time….and many are probably domestic cats that have strayed far from home. I imagine its more about the stigma off doing so and the concern the cat might suffer…and that would be wrong.

          • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

            The Timms trap is pretty efficient. It works fine for Possoms. The problem is that the societal norm is for cat owners to be irresponsible and to let them roam where they like. If I set a trap I will inevitably kill some child’s pet. I don’t want to do that. I have no personal malice against cats any more than I do possoms, rats, mice or bora. Its just that they are destructive and I don’t want them on my property. But while the societal norm is for cat owners to be irresponsible the only responsible course I can take is grit my teeth and accept that there is no way for me to prevent cats wreaking their destruction on my property. I’m forced by my conscience to respect the property of others while they show no respect for mine.

          • Paul

            If you killed a Tui deliberately you would be liable for prosecution under the protection of Wildlife act of 1955. However your next door neighbor could theoretically unleash their cats on your garden ,knowing full well how destructive they might be ..in possibly killing many Tui and there’s nothing you can do. And cat lovers talk about how unfair a website like this is.

            Keep gritting your teeth for now Carl

          • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

            I propose a business a bit like a tow-truck business. I put a clamp on your trespassing cat. You pay to have it back. Cats that are not collected after a period of 7 days will go to the wrecker. Tow-truck drivers don’t tend to be popular but still its an idea waiting to happen.

          • Paul

            You can kind of do that now if it really is important. Im told the RSPCA will provided you will a cage trap for cats that are a problem in the garden. Get one, bait it with jellymeat…catch the cat ….take the cat to the RSPCA and when the neighbor comes to collect it, (because you kindly informed them where their cat is now residing) ….they will have to pay a fee to get it back. Small compensation at least.

          • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

            All kidding aside while the consensus view is that cats have the right to be on my property whether I like it or not I’d be making a headache for myself and everyone around me if I did this. As said elsewhere the councils need to set the rules to encourage responsible cat ownership, to protect the environment and the rights of property owners. Vigilante action taken by individuals is not the way.

          • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

            Oh dear Carl and Paul. If you have children and they hit a stray ball onto my property I will gladly trap them and make you pay a fee. You are dilusional. Same with dogs, are you going to trap them also? How about instead of being spiteful you get along with your neighbours

          • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

            If my kids were around at your place every day peeing on your car I think it might bother you. Or eventually the smell might. If my dog (lets imagine I had one) was coming onto your place and hunting your cat you might care. There is no spite in this. It is just wrong that I should be put forced to put up with your cat because you cannot be bothered controlling it, or because you think it has a right to go and do what it likes. My dad used to take care of dogs that came onto our farm and killed our sheep. When I have cats doing the same thing to birds on my property I see parallels with that situation. I have bird feeders and try to encourage the birds to be here. To trap cats that are on my place and send them off to the RSPCA would seem like a pretty measured and reasonable approach to controlling cats that I do not want on my property.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Natalie-A-Sera/743004321 Natalie A. Sera

        You are certainly right that invasive species have threatened and extincted other species that evolved without that kind of predation, both in the plant and animal worlds. I just don’t think that it’s the cats who are evil — it’s their stupid, irresponsible owners. And I don’t know any other way to solve the problem other than to punish those who let cats run wild and unneutered. It’s sort of analogous to the gun situation in the US — some people are raving about refusing any regulation at all, while others want to eliminate guns entirely. So there needs to be a middle ground. We’re doing a lot of talking about what constitutes a responsible gun owner; I think you Kiwis need a national and well-publicized conversation about what constitutes a responsible cat owner! But I dunno; I’m not sure either one of us will be successful.

        • Paul

          I agree with you . But at least this is a start to maybe getting those who are irresponsible to be accountable and more thoughtful to their pets for everyone’s sake

    • Martin Nicholls

      If you have read the pro-cat postings on this site I don’t think you will find much cooperation among cat owners here, even with some give and take. Our SPCA is fanatical and puts the welfare of cats ahead of the welfare of our indigenous wildlife, even adjacent to protected natural areas otherwise intensively managed to help the recovery of indigenous fauna populations. The SPCA have successfully taken pest managers to court over poisoning and trapping too close to residential boundaries. Indeed, straying cats are currently protected by law from trapping in these areas, making it nigh impossible to control other predators as well. How’s this for responsible cat ownership when the law condones and supports such irresponsibility.

      • natsera

        Yes, it does sound like you have a legal fight on your hands. And I do understand the problem of feral cats, who are not native ANYWHERE except in the Middle East. I WOULD rather see feral and stray cats trapped and kept in a sanctuary from which they could not escape than point-blank killed (because I AM a cat lover), and I definitely would like to see restrictions on breeding EVERYWHERE, because I don’t like to see any domestic animal suffer from lack of responsible care, but I guess it’s going to take fighting to change the laws in NZ. I think it’s more the irresponsible owners than the cats themselves, if you see what I mean. I WILL get more cats as mine die off, but mine NEVER have and never will kill any birds or valuable wildlife. I don’t have any mice in my house, but my cats aren’t bothering the mice and birds outside, LOL!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Natalie-A-Sera/743004321 Natalie A. Sera

        It’s entirely possible to do humane live-trapping, and to have cat sanctuaries where all the cats are spayed and neutered, and can’t escape. If your govt. is opposed to THAT, then you do, indeed, have some public relations work to do. I don’t condone poisoning, or steel jaw trapping, as they are cruel to the animals — remember that it’s not the cats’ fault — they’re just doing what they evolved to do — but it’s entirely possible to control them, and treat them humanely. That’s a kinder and gentler way to deal with them, and maybe the reason the SPCA is so hostile to actions to control cats is because of cruel trapping and poisoning operations. It seems to me that this is a place where you could find a middle ground — give the SPCA the responsibility to run the sanctuaries, and give the patrollers the equipment (live traps and bait) to capture the cats. Seems to me it CAN be done.

        • Martin Nicholls

          Where are you from? You sound like you might be from overseas. I appreciate your comments, but I don’t see the point in cat sanctuaries when it is hard enough to raise money to erect predator excluder fences to keep introduced mammalian predators (including cats) out.
          Another thing too, it is extremely hard and expensive to make attempts to trap cats live and the cages have to be transported quite some distances. Ask DoC staff at Trounsen Kauri Park about the costs of live trapping cats. These cats are mostly ferals and are put down but the task is never ending because of new feline recruits reinvading vacated territory.
          One thing I am not clear on, what is your attitude to feral cats? These are totally wild, almost untamable, pests and a major cause of indigenous wildlife decline, even in the most remote areas. Some of our native birds are extinct (or critically endangered) because of cats, most notably piopio and kakapo. The most humane thing to do with them is to trap and kill them with the modern self-setting, gas powered traps designed for possums but baited for cats. These are considered humane and meet our Animal Health regulations.
          But, like you, I don’t condone cruelty and I actually hate killing things so I support the use of humane traps. However, I wouldn’t go as far as to trap cats live (ferals or strays especially) and cannot see the point (given the competition for scarce resources it would create) in having sanctuaries for cats. If cat owners knew their cats could be legally caught and killed if they were to stray a certain distance into protected natural areas, managed to keep introduced predators down, then they would make greater attempts to keep their cats under better control. There would also be an incentive to take a more responsible approach if they couldn’t obtain cats that had not been microchipped for owner identification, and desexed and vaccinated – all at the owners’ expense. We do this with dogs in New Zealand. Why not cats?

  • Laura

    Get your cat’s a bib! http://www.catgoods.com/

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Laura – these look like a good innovation although they have not been thoroughly tested yet. Give them a try and let us know how they go!

  • http://www.facebook.com/zionkat.comics Zionkat NZ

    From your own site-

    ‘Straight to the Facts
    Cats have contributed to the extinction of 9 native bird species [3].
    Cats impact on 33 endangered native bird species [4].
    Cats kill native birds. In our cities domestic cats kill native birds faster than they can possibly breed [6].’

    The studies you reference seem to be from international sources yet the impression you give is that these figures refer to New Zealand native species.

    Are you presenting mis-information to propagate your own agenda?

    • Paul

      Correction; Cats have ‘certainly ‘contributed to the extinction of 11 native bird species and have possibly contributed to the extinction of 10 others. Ref . ‘Extinct birds of NZ’. Alan Tennyson Published by Tepapa Press.
      only guilty of understating the facts

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      No. It is an international paper, but we have only taken the numbers relevant to New Zealand. Cats have harmed many more populations around the world. 175 in fact.

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        Yes Geoff, the key word is contributed. What are the facts about the actual percentage they have contributed to the to the extinction? It could be .%01? No-one actually knows. Like you say non-one actually knows how much cats kill as they don’t bring all their kills home. They are your own so called facts so stop contradicting yourself by saying things are facts when they aren’t actually proven facts at all. I agree, get rid of wild, feral cats but give people the choice to have a cat as a pet if they want one.

    • Martin Nicholls

      You’ll get this every time, just like the tobacco company spin. I think the numbers you quote are actually an underestimate. There are many international studies that have New Zealand as a focus because these islands are such a special case when it comes to the role of introduced mammalian predators in species decline and extinctions. We are a haven for such research.

  • Guest

    Have you ever thought that cats prey rats as well and that rats eat the bird’s eggs so basically taking away cats will increase the rat population which means they will eat HEAPS of eggs??

    • Paul

      cats don’t eat as many rats as your think .
      After the cats are gone you simply buy rat poison.
      But you are right with one thing. When the cats are gone there might just be HEAPS OF EGGS.

  • Xavier Payne

    Whoever the “ME” is that keeps sending messages on this website, he should be locked up, shackled, and put in a straightjacket. What an absolute freakish a***hole he is, but I suppose unexpected for someone with a cat fetish. The “ME” label, however, is an accurate metaphor for cat owners who think only of themselves, without regard for anything beyond their banal priorities.

  • Xavier Payne

    Geoff, I want to volunteer to help with the “Cat To Go” campaign. Please contact me.

  • Guest

    Your like the Hitler of cats….

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Just to reiterate, we are not advocating harming anyone’s moggie. Please take a moment to read the site before you leap to such ridiculous conclusions.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Hitler did do some good things early on and had a justifiable cause.

  • Guest

    My friend her cat means everything to her.Her brother died when she was 12 and she got a cat from then, it still living; its 5 years old. The cat is a brother to her its like its actually her brother. I have never seen a girl and a cat truly in love like they are. When her cat will die, its going to be a horrible day for her so she will get an other one to replace the thought. Please think about the family side of it.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Sure, some people are never going to give up their cats. We hope these people will do everything they can to be responsible pet owners.

    • Mard

      Yes.. and how many stories like this one exist where the cat is replaced by a kiwi…. one maybe? if that,.

  • Xavier Payne

    This is nesting season here in NZ. Research from the USA shows that, in areas of high cat population, only 10% of young birds will survive, while in areas of low cat population, upwards of 55% of young birds will survive. It also shows that we greatly overestimate the number of mice that cats kill. Their favorite killing target is birds and they will do it on a full stomach.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Xavier – always keen to see new research if you send us a link or reference!

  • Xavier Payne

    Please continue to pursue this wonderful cause, Gareth and Simon and all the other “Cats To Go” members. This is one of the great causes in New Zealand’s history.

  • ethidda

    I don’t understand why having an indoor-only cat is still terrible. My cats never go outside and have no chance of killing anything. Your FAQ (and other pages) do not address the viability of indoor-only cats.

    • Lauren

      “If you think NZ’s native species are precious and should be fostered
      then it’s important you be a responsible cat owner. That means keep them
      inside 24 hours a day and if that’s impractical then when the time
      comes ensure this is the last cat you ever own.”

  • Lauren

    Can I just say how frustrated I am by the bad press for this, and how much it reflects the irresponsibility of most pet owners? I may not agree with euthanizing all feral cats (I wonder if a sanctuary is a viable option), but keeping your cat inside is a no-brainer. As a cat lover, I’m ashamed of my fellow ‘kin’.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks Lauren, sounds like you are a responsible pet owner.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Oh good, a woman with a different view. Yours is actually quite close to mine as I have a cat too, but I am under no illusion that he has killed native birds. I caught him in the act one day, but I think he’s now ‘retired’… I think! Be this as it may, I used to get so sick of strays on my property that I set about to trap and kill them (humanely I stress). It was amusing as posters started appearing on lamp posts asking if people have seen “this cat”. I then had to lay low in case my role as a serial killer was found out. But I got so sick of no action from the local authority and the SPCA, and the loss of local wildlife, that I had to take action, illegal that it might have been.

  • Sue

    What about the rats??? No cats will mean an increase in rodents which do extreme damage to the enviroment.

    • Paul

      you can always purchase some rat poison from Mitre 10

    • Martin Nicholls

      I agree with Paul. I have personally established that the cat/rodent predator guild is a myth when one looks at moggies as a whole and their individual hunting preferences. All those who kill cats in traps, whether they have flea collars on or not, should check their stomach contents. They would be both shocked and surprised. Tonight on Campbell Live there were truly daft comments (posing as science) by former forestry ecologist, John Flux. He examined the kills by his one cat and based his whole assertions about cats’ preferred prey on this. No science at all, and no consideration of what other moggies in his area might have killed. Flux is infamous for the assertion on Bob Brockie’s science column in the Dom Post that rats and mustelids would establish an equilibrium with native species and that their role in the extinctions of native bird species was exaggerated. Such thinking by scientists in the 50s and 60s led to the inevitable loss of Stead’s bush wren, Stewart island snipe, greater short-tailed bat and the near extinction of South Island saddlenack during a blitz attack by invasive rats on Great South Cape Island off Stewart island.

  • BILLY

    Why do birds have more right to live than cats? Who are you to say that the population of cats should decrease because they are not taking responsibility for their natural instinct?

    • Paul

      because birds only kill what they can eat. Domestic cats on the other hand were bred by people for pets and kill much of the time just for the sake of killing. Natural for them to do so yes …but hardly acceptable in world were native species are declining rapidly..

      • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

        Thanks Paul – I agree the issue is one of biodiversity. Cats don’t face extinction, our bird species do.

        • Paul

          Cheers Geoff.

      • Mard

        What about all those poor worms. Those birds are psychopathic sadistic killing machines. Did you know the average bird murders up to 100,000 critters each year??? That means that over a life time a bird will kill more creatures than people died in WW2… and that is just ONE bird. Therefore they should all be wiped out… there is some “logic” along the same lines as the nonsense on this page.

    • Martin Nicholls

      What? Incoherency rules…

  • Sue

    Gareth Morgan, do you like mice?

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Clearly not: http://www.milliondollarmouse.org.nz. Have you heard of mouse traps?

    • Martin Nicholls

      Aw gee, another one identified by gender!

  • Lionel

    Hey there Gareth, as an owner of 3 cats (with a property bordering a kiwifruit orchard, next to an estuary…) they have a field day with the local wildlife. I am called upon weekly to dispose of beautiful Tui, Kotare, Pukeko and the likes :(

    I SEE YOUR POINT – SORRY PEEPS BUT YOU HAVE MISSED “THE POINT” ALL TOGETHER.

    If it were my call, as each passed on, I would not replace them!!

    Unfortunately each of the cats belong to my wife and 2 girls – go figure.

    Cat owners from the “Burbs” have no concept of the destruction that feral cats have on our wildlife and until recently I had no idea till moving country. Toms specifically have a very wide turf and I know of 10+ who are not owned as I have caught them, spayed them yet let them go again as instructed by the SPCA – just incase they have a home that is a bit further out…. again, go figure.

    Ranted enough – kia kaha and will follow this DEBATE via the usual channels…

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      Cheers Lionel. You are right – we don’t see the destruction so much in the cities because cats have killed off the birds already – local extinction.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, good points Lionel. And I like your implication (?) about the role of women in cat fanaticism; many appear to have posted Gareth hate comments thick and fast! As I posted to someone else, I shall never again give a cent in support of the SPCA because they do not walk the talk in caring for our indigenous fauna.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MrVinote James Wilson

    I agree entirely with the Gareth. Not only do cats kill vast numbers of native species, but they come home and get fed farmed meat or fish adding enormously to the environmental burden of producing food, simple to keep the killers alive and active. The sooner they go the better.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Boy, that’s tough, James, even though my heart lies with you. The psychology of companion animals has not been adequately addressed in this forum and part of this is the void for cat lovers if they were to be denied alternative pets to love and care for and who love and respond to them. At present it is illegal under the Wildlife Act to keep native animals as pets, despite a number that would be wonderful in this role. I think of my own (1960s) orphan pet kea and what a wonderful character he was. His dietary preferences were as catholic as mine – easy to cook for and feed – and being free to fly and explore wherever he wanted, he did not suffer from weight gain problems! Cats were wooden in comparison and definitely as stupid as sheep. My bird (never caged) would probably have learned to syphon petrol had he lived longer. He was the most intelligent animal I have ever had, including pigs, and he was definitely an equal. Sadly he pined away and died when I went on holiday and had left him in the care of friends. Kea (and kaka for that matter) would have to be kept as a flock as they are very social (and sociable) birds, but their potential as pets is enormous. Karori residents neighbouring Zealandia would probably be able to confirm this. I realise now I had the very special privilege in being so close to a companion native bird like this and I now think of the privileged position of DoC staff involved in species recovery and translocation who get to hold and care for birds like this – like Sirocco the kakapo for example. He is virtually a pet now, albeit a very randy one! In the 1800s kakapo were routinely kept as bushmen’s pets and were much loved in this role, being loyal, humorous and highly intelligent. They appeared to understand the emotion of love and loved those human companions who cared for them. They were very long lived.

  • peter h

    Gareth and Geoff, you may well be on a hiding to nothing on this one but good on you for raising the issue…..peter

  • Guest

    Gareth, if you care so much about the environment, why don’t you start by ending yourself? There is no greater threat to Earth and all it’s inhabitants than human beings. Yet here you are, and you even had children to perpetuate the problem. If you were at all consistent, your next campaign will be ‘kids to go – make this round of humans the last’. I dare you to deal with that backlash. Cats kill 65 critters? I wonder where you get this mythical figure from. A well managed and homed cat does no such thing. How many critters die at your expense? Or are you a public transport catching, solar powered eco home inhabiting vegan? I would look closely at myself and my species before suggesting any other creature sharing this planet was a problem. What an ill conceived and hateful campaign. I feel sad for people like you. I feel much sadder though, for any poor cats that do not have access to a loving home in the future because of you. Shame on you!

    • Paul

      why is it the hate all seems to be on your side of the argument? Shame on you one might say.

      Conservation is about protecting and caring for the environment and whats left of it.

    • Martin Nicholls

      God, another hysterical woman. Where do you guys breed and how do you end up on this site? What a lot of incoherent drivel you write. Yes, human beings are the primary cause of the trouble but, unlike cats, we can develop the wisdom to be part of the solution for our dwindling indigenous wildlife – if we cared enough! Gareth is at least fostering a debate and, for the moment anyway, the reaction has mostly been entirely negative. I can tell you this! After today I shall never give another cent of my money to the SPCA if they can’t extend their concerns for the welfare of our native animals, free from the cruelty inflicted on them by sadistic and bored domestic moggies. I have seen too much of this with my own eyes to ever be in doubt that cats are a serious menace, far worse in urban and periurban areas bounding protected natural areas (even mainland islands) than stoats and ferrets. Like them, they do not kill primarily for food, but, like human beings, for the sport it seems.

    • Mard

      Hear hear!

  • Vegan Japan

    I would like to congratulate you on your efforts. You are completely correct and this is a problem that we have turned a blind eye to for too long. Domestic cats are needlessly destroying our wildlife all over the world. Cats are also ousting rare wild cat species where they are natural.

    Of course, the big problem you will face is overcoming the self-centered, ignorant, immature and over-sentimentalised state of mind our societies has encouraged; the infantile “… but I want it …” attitude of spoilt todder that carries on into adulthood.

    I guess you will also face the will of the pet industries who make billions of pandering to this indulgence.

    However, you need to cast your net even wider … cats are now consuming vast amounts of seafood too, such as dolpin-killing tuna industries, heading-towards extinct herring, and environment polluting farmed salmon which are often source from unethical foreign fishing industries.

    Before the hysterics start, I am a vegan who out of a sense of moral duty looks after a number of rescued/ex-feral cats who are all home kept, so I love animals. I am just sick of humanities dumping of the problem on others and trashing of the environment. Don’t get me started on how many cats and dogs are dumped and killed every year because they go out of fashion or the owners can’t be bothered. A worsening situtation due to the eocnomic crisis.

    Living in an environment where it is not safe to let cats out, I’ve also found that cats will adopt to a harness and lead … although it’s a pretty Zen exercise walking them and they don’t go far! However, they are remarkably content being kept safely.

    Germay had success in controlling dog ownership by legislating minimum allowable areas for dog ownership, we should the same for cats … you can only be licensed for one if you can provide an enclosed pen big enough for it to have a reasonable life.

  • Trev Margolin

    I love cats – but LOVE this idea!! Good on you Gareth for having the guts to stick your neck out! You CAN still love cats and like this idea.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.oneill.129 John O’Neill

    We register dogs and put them down if chipping not done. My questions are
    Do cats kill more than dogs?
    Are cats more valued than dogs?
    Why?

  • milesinnz

    Well Gareth, with people who only post as “guest” saying

    “Instead of getting rid of cats, I do wish we could get rid of YOU. I’d pick my two cats over you and your damn
    birds any day”,

    you are dealing with a small minded and
    self-centered population. These people are so pathetic that they
    can’t see the human attributes they attach to their cat, presumably
    because they are unable to have any other proper meaningful human
    interaction that is truly meaningful.

    • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

      Rrrrrowww!

  • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

    I see a lot in common between the majority of cat owners now and smokers from 30 years ago. They don’t care about the effect it has on those around them. Not enough for them to change anyways. So long as they can get away with it they will inflict their choices and the consequences of those choices on others.

    I don’t appreciate other peoples cats coming onto my property to defecate, urinate and kill birds. I like the birds. I like my car not smelling of cat pi**. I like to think that there could be a time when there will be no cat sh** around on the property for my toddler to pick up and eat. Please cat owners, take your dirty habit inside.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Hear hear!!

  • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

    Question is: if we find a cat on our property, should we smoke it?

    • Martin Nicholls

      Smoke it out! As George W. would say.

      • Paul

        Its either ‘with you or against you’

  • emmie

    Really this is so ridiculous. Domestic cats are not the problem. We own 2 very well behaved cats and they hardly EVER hunt birds. FERRAL cats are the problem NOT domestic cats. Ferral cats hunt for food all the time whereas most domestic cats don’t even catch a bird a week. All this nonsense is making us extremly worried for our cats.

  • http://twitter.com/MalcolmSpark Malcolm Spark

    Yes it’s a lovely theoretical idea, as many theoretical ideas are. I love native birds. But …. here is the issue I see. As an older living alone person renting, I’ve come across any cruel actions by landlords who have no concept of what it’s like living alone and will bar dogs outright. They are, unfortunately and stupidly, focussed on process rather than outcome. So faced with being excruciatingly lonely or living under a bridge, a cat is on obvious solution. Cats often go under the radar and can fulfil the human need for contact (seriously, this should be a human rights issue!). If you’re totally serious about getting rid of cats then you will HAVE to address the issue I’ve highlighted here.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, to some extent you are right. As a teenager, I was privileged to have had a kea as a pet – or rather companion because he went everywhere with me and was uncaged. He had a number of destructive tendencies, as you can imagine, but he was highly intelligent – would run rings around any cat and, indeed, loved to tease and taunt them. He was incredibly funny; a real character and I miss him terribly. Now, however, it is illegal to keep as a pet any fully protected native animal and that is the rub. Until we change the Wildlife Act to allow some native animals to be kept as pets and raised in captivity for this purpose (notably our parrots and weka), there will be a serious companion animal void if cats were to be banned, as you implied. This is something the often intransigent and extreme members of the conservation movement need to understand. In this respect they are just as bad as the SPCA and other pro-cat extremists (many of whom have posted comments here).

      What do you think of this idea?

  • http://www.facebook.com/derynlouise.pearce Deryn-Louise Pearce

    I do understand feral cats can be a menace, so why not fix the feral cat problem? Why do responsible domestic cat owners have to pay the price? Both of my cats are feral that i rescued when they were kittens, and recently i rescued and raised 2 more feral kittens, they were desexed/vaccinated/microchipped by ME out of m own pocket before i sent them to a pet store. I dont see why people like me have to suffer this fool when im already bieng pro active with reducing wild cat numbers. Not to mention theres all those other pests screwing shit up aswell like possums, stoats, ferrets and rats.

    • Uschi

      with respect,.. you dont understand much if you just think ferel cats can be a menace.’Dennis was a menace’. But cats are a Serious problem to Native birds and invertebates.If only they were only ‘Just’ a menace.

    • Martin Nicholls

      It’s a whole lot cheaper and much better for our urban native fauna to trap and shoot these ferals. Chances are your cats are already habituated to catching and killing native birds, reptiles and large insects – hard wired for survival. All you are succeeding in doing is a disservice to our indigenous fauna.

    • Paul

      “Why do responsible domestic cat owners have to pay the price?”

      it’s called ‘user pays’. If you ‘use’ a cat for amusement, cuddles and companionship for example…surely you are responsible for the damage it does when its let outside…. as with anything in life. Dog owners take that responsibility .

  • http://www.facebook.com/cheryl.w.rinker Cheryl W. Rinker

    Loser.

    • Uschi

      lose cats!

    • Martin Nicholls

      We all will be if we don’t do something about all introduced mammalian predators and soon, but too many people making negative comments about what Gareth is trying to do don’t give a stuff. Soon, we will be like any northern hemisphere country – totally devoid of all the species that made us unique in the world.

  • Uschi

    Cats are a serious problem everywhere in NZ.. In the forest ,in parks and reserves and in gardens. Everywhere.The range of an average cat is extensive and combined with the obvious fact they are very prodigious predators …it is unbelievable they are not controlled in anyway… Why should people be entitled to turn them outside everynight then call themselves responsible pet owners …esp in a country that has had so many extinctions and has so many other threatened species.I am repeating this comment but it needs repeating.

  • Yvonne

    I’m quite frankly horrified and dismayed. I feel this is totally irresponsible action which will now give those animal haters the justification to hurt/kill cats – so much for Simon Bridges bill for cruelty to animals (this really could fly in the face of it).

    Gareth I had always admired and respected you and now all I can say is ‘thank goodness I’m not your neighbour’ and surely you have more pressing/important issues to pursue, then make us avid cat lovers fear for the welfare of our furry family members!!

    • Uschi

      Yvonne, I think people who wish for control over cats are just as much animals lovers as you feel you are..
      rather than see it as a personal afront..see it as a way of protecting all the creatures …particularly the ones that have been here for the last 40 million years.

    • Martin Nicholls

      You wouldn’t like me as a neighbour if you had a cat that would wander onto my property. There are Timms traps set to catch any strays, flea collar or not. I get so sick of cats killing the local birds, poohing in the garden and coming inside and spraying. There are a lot of irresponsible cat owners out there.

      • Mard

        So you WILL kill people’s pets. Here is the admission. Real nice guy….

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        The beauty of the internet Martin Nicholls is that people like you are very easy to find . You have given us plenty of information to locate your where abouts so we can disarm your traps.

        • Martin Nicholls

          You’d be committing an offence if you do and it shows the level of base idiocy and extremism those of us committed to nature conservation have to put up with – like the 1080 debate and similarly worrying. Trouble is, I no longer set any traps, but I have no doubt there are others that do.

          • harry

            You said 1 day ago you haveTimms traps set on your property & you are sick of cats poohing in the garden….I suppose you’ve never poohed Martin,thats why you are so full of pooh.

          • Martin Nicholls

            You prove my point!

          • harry

            That you are full of poo.

          • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

            I dont give a toss if I’m committing an offence. If you are cruel to any animal then karma is gonna come for you Martin. Do you actually have a job? All you do is try and convince people how right you are, when you are quite the opposite. If you want to give personal information out about yourself then you areare very silly little man.It’s way more extreme to go around wasting your time catching your neighbours cats in traps then selling them back. Whose the idiot now?

        • Martin Nicholls

          Another thing too, I own a cat (or rather he owns me!). Do you intend to snuff him out too? He’s getting on and has effectively ‘retired’ but he took a few birds in his time (hates and ignores rodents). I misrepresented my own comment (sorry, my mistake) Instead of ‘are’ I meant ‘were’. There were a group of us neighbours so fed up with straying cats we decided to do something about it as the local authority would not. We had in our area a neighbour with 26 cats, most in a pretty run-down and starving condition, but the council failed to take action, even under the Animal Health Act. I reiterate… responsible cat ownership is the issue and I do not go around the place with a vendetta against all cats. That would make me a hypocrite, would it not.

      • Paul

        Good man.

    • Paul

      I second Martin. He is not animal hater…or cruel. He’s a conservationist. A protector of NZ’s native species. You’re not it seems!

      And ps: no sane person wants to be cruel to a cat or any other animal for that matter. But killing a cat because its environmentally harmful is a unpleasant reality.

      You have nothing to fear but yourself Yvonne. Read the website properly . Watch the TV3 video

  • http://www.facebook.com/terry.leonard.9 Terry Leonard

    Feral cats are rife.I have been involved with Night shooting all my life(forestry).Huge monstrous cats stewart island (masons bay). All must go. Domestic cats in sensitive areas(native birds) must go . The rest chipped n regos. There was a nationwide feral cat survey undertaken in the 80′s but i’m not sure who implemented it. i filled this questionaire in as part of my job .. Ban the moggies as our native birds are more important

  • harry

    Great,Cat Registration,yet another Tax + GST.The capitalist Councils & Government will love you Garath,getting all that extra do$h off the working class peasants.You might even get a knighthood.

    • Anna

      Paul Holmes , got a knighthood for calling the head of the UN a ‘cheeky darky’ ……so anythings possible. lol
      But I would say Gareth is just in it for the protection of our declining biodiversity, end of story .
      He has no use for more ‘DOSH’. Thats a matter of public knowledge. Sometimes its hard to believe people can be driven by more than self needs Harry . But its true, thankfully.
      Anyway …its great to have people championing an important issue who ever they are.
      You have my respect Gareth and Geoff. Hang in there guys!

      • harry

        I was stating he would be getting the Capitilist Council & Government More tax Dosh & they will love him for this,I could’nt give a damb how much money Gareth Himmler the Fury Animal Murderer has.

  • Vickie Ferns

    I opened my facebook page to find an attack on Gareth Morgan which I found immature. Australia has a similar problem with cats killing their own beautiful birds and the Department of Conservation advise the cats wear reflective collars which glitters in the sunlight, combined with a bell. In Victoria, cats are required to be micro chipped at the point of sale and changed to the new owner at that time.Cats are also registered. De sexing is encouraged by having the registration fee much lower for desexed pets. Some felt it doesn’t go far enough, and argue that cats should be kept in at night where they are safe and warm, protected from attacks by other animals and the chance of being injured or killed by cars. Better still cats should stay inside 24/7 away from mischief, there is support for having an outdoor modular cat park or walkway.

    I love the birds and cats, any animal actually, I even carefully put spiders outside if I can. I feed the tui’s and sparrows,green finch, white eye, blackbirds and chafinch. Unfortunately, my neighbour a few doors down has a cat which has been bringing in a bird a day over the summer most of which are foreigners. She has also said the workers at the local garden centre complain about the noise of the native birds. The cat’s owner managed to take a white eye off him a few months ago which I took down to be checked by a vet when it hadn’t flown away after and hour. It was fine. A few weeks ago the cat brought in a tui to which my neighbour said ‘well there are lots of them now’. I’ve even chased the cat up the road with a female blackbird hanging from his mouth.

    I don’t support getting rid of cats altogether but I do think owners should be more responsible both for the health of their cats and the wildlife outside. Cat’s should become an indoor companion pet.

  • Louise

    Cats>birds!

    • Anna

      No cats+ birds = mayhem

  • roger

    ALLERGY: Seeing the catastrophic decline in bird population around my home after several cats moved in next door, confirmed for me what Gareth is saying; but I urge you also to consider the economic and social cost of cats to the large number of NZers whose life is affected by “cat allergy”. The allergic reaction is most commonly caused by dried cat spit! – from the cat’s tongue when grooming their coat. These saliva protein molecules are too small to be seen polluting our home environment – the air we breathe, the furniture we sit on, the clothes we wear, the bed we lie in; and it’s effect is so all pervasive that asthma suffers are usually unaware the CAT is the cause of their discomfort, asthma, and bronchitic sickness when winter flu strikes.

  • Mard

    Why do you place value on the lives of birds over the lives of mammals. I get a lot more enjoyment out of time spent with other mammals and would far rather there were cats around than native birds. Seems an arbitrary call you have made. Yes I know the birds are native… but the cats are still alive, and lets face it give New Zealander’s a lot more pleasure from cats than from the odd native bird.

    • Martin Nicholls

      That is a highly offensive and insulting comment and I can’t believe you are genuine. If you do, indeed, have this conviction, then you are denying all that makes New Zealand so special, unique and such an important place in an international context. That probably no overseas visitors to our many national parks and reserves would share your view suggests to me that such an anti native bird comment would be offensive to them as well – visitors who love the bird sounds of our forests, where they haven’t been silenced by introduced mammalian predators. I love what makes these lands so special and wonderful and I take umbridge with people like you who put forward a view that would ultimately deny me my right to enjoy our uniqueness.

      • Mard

        Sorry you find it offensive… and I was not intending to insult anyone. Just an opinion. Please don’t take it personally!

        I am being serious. I really do like mammals and enjoy having them around. You by the sounds of it like having birds around. Fair enough. Each to their own. The idea that a birds life is inherently more valuable than a cats because cats arrived on the island later is unjustified. Or if not I would like to see a justification. HINT: they have been here longer is not a justification. A living being is valuable however long it has been around… personally I don’t think not getting rid of cats would deny you the opportunity to enjoy spending time with birds… but I can say for sure that getting rid of cats would deny me to spend time with my favorite sort of animal. Who is the one being offensive and insulting here?
        /

        • Martin Nicholls

          It’s actually an issue of what belongs here, what is truly indigenous and whether we value our uniqueness as a land long evolved without any terrestrial mammals, apart from three species of bat. The ancient continent of Zealandia became isolated from the Australian/Antarctic continent about 85my ago making us, along with New Caledonia (once part of Zealandia) the most isolated continental land mass in the world. THIS is what is unique and why it is imperative we attempt to jealously protect what is left of an extremely vulnerable and special fauna (and flora). It is not a matter of preference for mammals over birds (or vice versa) at all and it is shallow of you to try to argue this and attribute this point to me. If we believe in the special qualities of New Zealand, we have to choose and we have to make personal sacrifices.

          • Mard

            What USED TO belong here. It is a bit of a shame that mammals have taken over the islands (including us of course) but the fact is they have. You can’t turn back time to the year 1000… it is hubris to think this is possible. I would also say it is not desirable.

            May I ask WHY you think it is important to preserve the ecosystem as it used to be? The birds don’t actually care. They don’t mind if they continue for future generations… it is all about your personal preferences and this is not shallowness.. it is the truth. Sorry ;)

      • ziggywiggy

        the world will not want to visit your beautiful country if this plan goes through. This is beginning to spread virally through cat loving communities and it makes your country look cruel, unreasonable, lacking in imagination and backwards. Cat lovers will NOT listen to your eco-argument, hard to get past the idea of removing all cats, it will not win. Try a little harder and come up with a better solution.

        • Martin Nicholls

          What a load of crock! Under these circumstances, then, I am more than happy for cat lovers to stay well clear of these shores.

          • ziggywiggy

            they will stay away,but the internet is worldwide and you can’t ignore it…just cause you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean it’s not true.

    • Anna

      What a pile of crap….gasp!

      The world is a bigger place than just you.

      Native birds have rights too. Simply,if anything by virtue of their longevity. They’ve been here for millions of years. More than we can say for mankind.

      Are you religious by any chance? Most religious people seem to think the world was created with them in mind. Very sad delusion.

      • Mard

        Lol. Again you are just demonstrating an odd preference for birds over mammals. THe world is a bigger place than you too! Are you religious? (what a WEIRD question)….

        Yes the birds have rights… so do the cats. So why the antimammaltic prejudice?

        • Anna

          ‘Are you religious’…. well I was just saying that because you are you responding as though it’s all about you. As per most religious people Ive encountered. Perhaps youre not . Youre simply being selfish, and that’s all. The point of this website is surely about seperating oneself from personal preferences/needs …love of furry things…and focusing on things other than self. Native birds are declining in number. You cant deney that fact.Whether you like birds or not they are very important to our biodiversity despite you. Theyve been part of our environment for a very long time …before even youre greatest ancestor ever existed…..they are more entitled to be here than you if anything….they pollinate flowers, spread seed , keep some kind of a balance to the ecology of the forest…and If you dont like that fact…go live on an Island…preferably one made of concrete. And enjoy.

          • Mard

            Birds yes. Specific birds. Not so much. Get rid of the Kiwi. Replace it with chickens. Sorted. Yeah native birds are declining in numbers… some of them will die out. That’s life. If there is only 20 or so of some bird left its not having a huge impact on the ecosystem is it. Let them go peacefully. The birds don’t care if they go extinct. Humans do… ie you are making it about yourself for religious reasons I can only assume.

            And no.. birds were not around before my first ancestor was around. Think about it for a moment… we all evolve from the same basic life forms.. my ancestor is the same age as theirs by definition… but that is kind of irrelevant really.

          • Paul

            Humans have existed for about 100 – 200 thousand years. Birds in NZ for 10′s of millions years. At that time you ancestor was no more than a Shrew like creature scurrying along under their legs.

          • Mard

            Irrelevant.

          • Paul

            not if youre a native bird

          • Mard

            Um…. err… yeah sure…

      • Mard

        “Native birds have rights too.”.. too as in as well as cats? I agree! So lets let them both hang around huh?

        All I am saying is I prefer cats. You seem to like birds… fair enough. But I think I am in the majority… think of all the kids who grow up with cats as a constant companion. A friend for years!

        Honestly… how many people can say that about a fantail or a kiwi… when did the average New Zealander even see a kiwi? Who’d miss them? We’ve got hens. They are close enough. WE would miss our cats though.

      • Martin Nicholls

        Anna, I’d give up on Mard. She’s utterly insane – or just a trolling stirrer. I’ve been getting angry at her intransigent comments (and those of many other pro-cat fanatics on this site). I wonder if she’s a ‘Kiwi”. Or is she an import from another country? For my own sanity and physical health I thinks it is best for me to give it a rest and do some work. The cat fanciers will no doubt be saying “Yay!”

  • Mard

    Just the sort of antimammaltic sentiment I would expect from rightwing economists ;)

    • Anna

      You know so much Mard !….
      perhaps you could figure out, how to save NZ from further extinctions of birds, lizards and invertebrates?

      • Mard

        I’m not that bothered about it. I mean take the kiwi. If it vanished who would notice? When did the average New Zealander even see a kiwi? We have hens anyway. Why are we doubling up? Keep the hen – they are basically a superior Kiwi anyway. More colourful, they can fly, can probably keep a cat at bay.

        • Anna

          you need a ‘kiwi ‘ experience.!! Otarahonga…or Mount Bruce maybe….you can touch them if your lucky . The plumage is unique…not like a bird at all….magic….a bird that has evolved to be like a mammal… the feathers are more like hair. So special. Thats not important to you.?

          • Mard

            Not really. But it seems to be important to you. As though the Kiwi exists for your entertainment… are you religious by any chance?

          • Paul

            The path of the righteous is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish, and the tyranny of Mard

          • Mard

            I am not the one who wants to commit genocide on a species of mammals.

          • Paul

            if cats were removed from NZ ….there would still be lots left to carry on species elsewhere in the world. ….same with Possums and ferrets and rats and so on.
            No genocide for you to worry about

          • Mard

            Right… so if we kill all the Chinese in New Zealand that is not Genocide because there are still plenty left in China… good logic there Paul.

          • Paul

            I think genocide relates to the mass murder of peoples and races of nation.
            Nothing to do with cats

          • Mard

            Right. And sadism relates to humans abusing other humans. Nothing to do with cats or birds. Clap… clap…. clap….

        • Martin Nicholls

          Oh great! What would we call ourselves then if our national identity were to be based on an extinct bird? What do the people of Mauritius call themselves? Dodos? What we would be are laughing stocks internationally.

          • Mard

            So we should save the Kiwi because we would have to find a new logo to put on the stuff we export overseas… interesting argument. Not convinced.

          • ziggywiggy

            with this you are already a laughingstock. Probably don’t care what an American thinks, but this sounds like an insane idea. How about a program to convince people to keep their cats indoors? spay and neuter feral cats to control their population. Has anyone tried a different approach? all of the money it would take to remove cats could be spent in a more positive way without making the world’s cat lovers HATE your country. (that’s a huge number of people)

          • Paul

            “cat lovers HATE….”

            what language is that? A true oxymoron.

          • ziggywiggy

            cat lovers can also hate rapists, bigots etc. it’s possible to love cats and hate other things…would you prefer if I had said, cat “people” to eliminate that oxymoron? It doesn’t change the facts of what I said. Comment on that.

          • Paul

            Thanks. I rest my case!

        • Martin Nicholls

          Also, take a trip to Kapiti, Maungatautari or Zealandia and enjoy their night tours among kiwi. On Stewart Island one may see kiwi at dusk, or even when it is quite bright. They’re incredible and can run like stink!

          • Mard

            See.. you seem to be treating the Kiwi like something that exists to entertain people… a sort of fluffy toy to amuse humans. I have no interest in disturbing the things. But the comparison is interesting. MOST people get the sort of pleasure you are talking about from cats… a vast minority get to see a kiwi. Most never do. Yet you seem to think that saving the Kiwi is more important that letting cats knock around. Can you see that this is just selfishness on your part?

      • Mard

        Why would I want to? Again the idea seems to be that mammals are somehow not valid forms of life. The sad truth is that mammals are in the country now, and some species are not going to survive. Some will and the ecosystem will settle down to a new equalibrium. A different equilibrium to the one which existed before mammals arrives but not a WORSE one which seems to be the argument people are trying to make. Why is an ecosystem with a mixture of mammals and birds, where some birds have died off WORSE and something to fight against? It is amoot point in a way anyway because it is only hubris and a god-complex that could lead anyone to think that humans are even powerful enough to control nature in that way. Let nature sort itself out!

  • Mard

    Just the sort of antimammaltic sentiment I would expect from rightwing economists ;)

  • http://twitter.com/Carl49201682 Carl

    Here is some technology people could consider installing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8

  • Mard

    The idea seems to be that mammals are
    somehow not valid forms of life. The sad truth is that mammals are in
    the country now, and some species are not going to survive. Some will
    and the ecosystem will settle down to a new equilibrium . A different
    equilibrium to the one which existed before mammals arrived – but not a
    WORSE one which seems to be the argument people are trying to make. Why
    is an ecosystem with a mixture of mammals and birds, where some birds
    have died off WORSE and something to fight against? It is a moot point
    in a way anyway because it is only hubris and a god-complex that could
    lead anyone to think that humans are even powerful enough to control
    nature in that way. Let nature sort itself out!

    • Martin Nicholls

      But it won’t be a unique one any more and that’s the point of difference New Zealand can promote on the world stage. What’s left of our indigenous ecosystems is also part of our identity and how most of us see ourselves, even recent migrants it seems.
      We CAN actually do something and it involves a sea change in thinking (and even culture). The opportunity for each and every one of us to make a positive difference for our indigenous biodiversity is there if we were passionate enough because we would have to make some collective sacrifices to achieve it.

      • Mard

        It will be unique in a different way. Not exactly the same as it was in 1500. Not exactly the same as it was in 1000. Or 2000. The world changes. It will be unique in a new wonderful way. A wonderful ecosystem that includes some mammals like mice, stoats, and cats. There is no going back to the year 1000. We need to embrace the NEW (but equally unique) ecosystem which we now have. rather than trying to play God by terying to commit genocide on one of the species which has made its home here.

        • Martin Nicholls

          It is impossible to have a rational argument with you, Mard. Part of what makes the world a special and interesting place to tour and visit is its biogeographic natural diversity. If you want New Zealand to eventually become a renditon of Europe, Asia and North America, because of how humans have mismanaged the land and foreign introductions, go right ahead, but this is not how visitors to these shores will appreciate us. They come here to experience something different, not a facsimile of their homelands. Our New Zealand human cultures and how we do things is not sufficiently distinctive to most visitors; it is our indigenous biodiversity that is.

          • Mard

            I am sorry you find it hard to have a rational argument. Perhaps if you calm down first so your emotions don’t get in the way too much it will be easier. I am sure it is not really impossible for you. I never said I want New Zealand to become a replica of Europe (as if Europe were a single uniform place!). I said that New Zealand has become, and is constantly becoming a new unique ecosystem. Read what I actually said. Again you r motivation for keeping things as they are is very human-centred. We should try to kill cats because “visitors to these shores will appreciate us”. and so things are “sufficiently distinctive to most visitors”. This is treating animals as an entertainment source for humans rather than as beings with a right to exists regardless of whether rich tourists like looking at them.

          • Martin Nicholls

            As from the end of this posting, I am no longer replying to your comments because it fails to move the argument forward one way or the other. I will deal with more rational people. As for telling me to calm down, I take that comment as highly offensive. Your arguments are truly silly and fail to even register the point of what I am writing. It seems you are so stuck in a human-centred world with all Man’s companion animals that you cannot appreciate the philosophy of nature conservation, especially as it applies to these unique shores.

          • Mard

            Wow Martin. You are really easily offended. Are you really “highly” offended over something you read on this page… then you really DO need to calm down. May I suggest a nice walk in the forest to listen to some bird song?

          • Mard

            .. Now.. if you were capable of reading what I wrote, rather than reacting emotionally, you would see the irony in what you wrote. I am not the one who is human-centred but you. Your argument for conservation is that it will make NZ more pleasant for HUMAN visitors. Think about it!

  • Pouet

    Comment vous faites pour écrire autant de conneries sur ce site ? Vous vous entrainez ? Ce qui nuit aux oiseaux c’est l’Homme, pas les chats !

    (et accessoirement l’Homme avec des idées idiotes). A bon entendeur.

    • Anna

      Holy cow
      if it wasnt for Queen Victoria’s quick thinking …I might actually understand you. Viva la rainbow Warrior
      my only other language is conservation.

      • Mard

        Nice bit of racism there Anna… way to go.

        • Paul

          Where’s the racism?. Shes just making light of the situation. If you spoke french you would see Pouet’s comments were not the nicest….bit like yours

          • Mard

            If you can’t see the racism, Paul, then I can’t help you. But I will spell it out in little baby steps if you want. Can you really not see it?

          • Paul

            The french speaking person was insulting. And in a language not officially used in NZ
            I think it was little dig at that fact
            Commenting on the Queen Victoria and the rainbow warrior was political not racist

            Here it is spelled out for you
            ‘Racism’
            1.The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or
            abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as…
            2.Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

          • Mard

            It is the equivalent of meeting a German and calling them a Nazi. She saw someone who was French and rather than seeing them as an individual she makes a reference to some terrorists who happened to be French. If you can’t see the racism here then I can’t help you any further.

          • Paul

            French speaking Mard… doesnt always mean a French person…surely You seem to be jumping to conclusions yourself. I think there were only references made to the use of the particular language and its tone…..not the race.
            Pouet could well be a Kiwi and probably is.
            Bonne nuite

          • Mard

            No. I was pointing out Anne’s racist assumptions. Well done.

        • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

          Guys. I might get you to chill out and finish up with this thread. Nothing to be gained. Thanks

          • Paul

            Correct. sorry Gareth.

          • Martin Nicholls

            I agree entirely and I have personally stopped engaging in this kind of negative toing and froing. I think Anna has too. But it does tell you how wide the philosophical divide is and how difficult your task is to convince certain people. There seems to be an awful lot of them. Someone made a veiled but minor threat against me.
            Gareth, nobody seems to have yet considered the topic I raised about how some native animals might fill the companion animal void left if people are not going to be able to keep cats – at least nobody has debated it on this forum. I think it is something that needs to be explored, but I admit there are a lot of concerns that would need to be addressed to reassure DoC scientists who are largely vehemently opposed to such a “hare-brained” idea. I was one of those very lucky people old enough to have had a kea as a pet. He was never kept in a cage and was great (if mildly destructive) entertainment to those he chose to visit. Like all highly intelligent creatures he became bored easily if he wasn’t constantly stimulated. He was far, far smarter than any cat I have had and I confess to being a cat lover. But he was a real character and I cried quite a few tears when he eventually died. Then the law changed and kea were fully protected. I suspect kaka are similarly entertaining if the Zealandia and Kapiti examples are any indication. New Zealand is one of the few countries that does not have (and is legally not allowed to have) a companion bond with its indigenous wildlife, probably when we most need to have one. I think some of the vitriol from cat lovers could be attributed to the fear of losing the right to keep a much-loved pet and this is entirely understandable as psychology studies on the role of companion animals in mental health prove time and time again.
            But good on you, Gareth and Geoff (and thanks to Paul for his contributions). You are very brave to have waded into this. Any regrets? I think this topic will eventually gain traction but there is plenty of water to flow under the bridge yet. We all need to be very patient. The 1080 debate was similarly rancid early on.

          • Paul

            You hang in there yourself Martin. Your fighting a great cause very well.
            I have never entered such a debating forum as this before and am stunned at the apparent lack of understanding of people, but it does give one a chance to take on the mindless responses of most cat ‘lovers’ in a considered way.

            Re ‘the companion animal void’ . I think/hope in the end what people connect with in cats is simply the furriness (they offer little else)and hopefully possum skin rugs will come down in price as the demand for them increases.

  • Martin Nicholls

    I think the SPCA needs to be put under scrutiny here. Some time ago we had Robyn Kippenberger (head of the SPCA) advocating on Radio New Zealand National the value of hybrid giant cats known as Bengals in New Zealand and trying to tell us that they do no harm to wildlife. I did some research and found that this breed are adept tree climbers and quite enjoy swimming as well. Factor this into the equation and the outcome for many more indigenous species is truly frightening.
    Like the rest of those in the SPCA, Kippenberger’s comments were ignorant and framed to push a particular barrow. There is no doubt that as an organisation the SPCA are not as pro-indigenous wildlife that they would have us believe and they do not walk the talk on the philosophy of nature conservation – quite the opposite in many cases I could name. Given domestic cats’ undoubted proclivity to cruelty when taunting, terrorising and killing prey, how do the SPCA reconcile this with their mandate and their name vis a vis other species, notably our own vulnerable birds and reptiles? Maybe they should rename their organisation SPCM (the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Mammals) because mammals are all they seem to be interested in, a quaintly anthropocentric perspective.

    • Mard

      Anthropocentric???… cats are humans????

      • Martin Nicholls

        Clearly not, but we attribute human emotions and patterns of behaviour to mammals in ways we don’t to birds, reptiles and insects. This encroaches on our perspective in how we have to manage pests and predators (largely mammalian) in a nation that is largely devoid of indigenous terrestrial mammals. We have trouble bonding with what is uniquely ours and this prevents enough of us doing what we have to do to protect and nurture what is here. You’re not one of those daft members of the SPCA by any chance? One of those who release live possums from traps in the Waitakeres during trap-catch surveys and let feral cats loose into the bush? I’ve witnessed this happened and I was appalled at such misguided activism – and biosecurity vandalism.

        • Mard

          It seems to be a common tactic on this site to accuse people of belonging to certain groups rather than addressing the issues. A cheap tactic. No I am not part of the SPCA.

  • sarah stewart

    Speaking as a veterinary specialist with a special interest in feline medicine, I would just like to point out that someone has already invented a great tool to keep housecats from killing birds and other small wildlife, called the catbib: http://www.catgoods.com/. The product is extremely effective and its claims are backed up with sound scientific research, and is one that I recommend to my clients whose cats have outdoor access. Given that the purported goal of this website [ie to eradiate cats] is something that the vast majority of pet owners consider extreme and unrealistic, it seems that mentioning some effective and realistic alternative options would be of benefit. I can’t speak for New Zealand and Australian veterinarians, but the majority of North American feline veterinarians recommend that pet cats be kept indoors anyway, for the reasons outlined in this statement from the American Association of Feline Practitioners: http://catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/position/?Id=293. Emphasizing the alterative solutions of keeping pet cats exclusively indoors, spaying and neutering all pets, and financially supporting feral cat spay/neuter/release programs as effective and more realistic options for dealing with the real problem of endangered small wildlife may be a more productive way to get cat owners on board to help address this issue, rather than making rather extreme recommendations that are likely to immediately put people on the offensive and shut down opportunities for productive discussion and co-operation.

    Sincerely,

    Sarah Stewart DVM, DACVIM (SAIM)

  • http://www.facebook.com/dina.evanreulen Dina E van Reulen

    Why do the cats should be removed ? if New Zealand has any problem to any desease, please do not blame others … they should solve the problem and not being the killers !

  • lauritastlouis@gmail.com

    An opinion from the states: I am aware that other countries view pet care differently than we do here. Wish an exception for farm cats, the majority of our pet cats here are indoor cats. Yes there are some city dwellers that still do let their cats out at night etc but most of us are not that cruel. Granted, the ecosystem here has allowed for predators as well as feline only diseases that help keep the stray cat popation reasonable, as well as providing defensive habits for our native bird species, so the drive to keep cats indoors has more to do with their health than with protecting our ecosystem.

    Perhaps part of the problem may exist in attitudes towards pet ownership. A friend of mine from England once told me that the concept of indoor only cats is almost unheard of there and is considered cruel. Perhaps most new zealanders feel the same way? I would think that a campaign to get people to just never own cats is not going to be effective. Instead perhaps you should concentrate on educating owners that indoor only cats are healthier and live longer. Criminalizing letting cats out at night with stiff penalties and a campaign to destroy both feral and stray cats may prove to actually yield results rather than just annoy the very people who’s support you seek. As an American and a cat owner I personally feel that outdoor cats are neglected and it is irresponsible pet ownership but again that may be cultural (although I do know one or two people here that do let their cats out).

    I would think that the occaisionsl escaped cat is not a large part of the issue. If one exercises the smallest amount of caution it is not difficult to keep a cat indoors. I had a cat for 12 years that escaped one time. She was found the next day in the yard next door. My current cat is 5 and the same holds true. One time one day found next door. The majority of indoor cats that get too curious and get out usually are less concerned about hunting and more concerned about hiding. Often finding your cat just takes a bit of work searching bushes and under patios. Cats usually left outside after an escape for seeks before becoming feral. Outlawing indoor cats will not help you but destroying outdoor cats en mass and stiff penalties for cats at large will. Currently most communities in the us do require registration of all cats and dogs as well as rabies shots. Micro chipping is simply an act of responsible pet ownership. Most pets adopted from the humane society already come with them. Changing these policies in new Zealand would go a long way to solve your problems

  • GarethMorganNeedsToGo

    Humans also kill all kinds of species (some severely endangered) for pleasure, including other humans (and most don’t practice cannibalism either). Should we euthanize people then too?

    • Martin Nicholls

      If you want to put comments like this up have the guts to publish your full name. I Suggest that this ought to be a condition of posting on this site.

      • GarethMorganNeedsToGo

        Reading your MANY previous comments on this matter shows that you are in fact a nutjob, with possible stalker tendencies. So no, sorry, I will not be posting my real name “Mr. Martin Nicholls”. I will now go back to petting my kitties who were at one time “strays that should be disposed of”.

        • Martin Nicholls

          It only goes to prove that, currently at least, the gap between nature conservationists and the cat lobby is unbridgeable. I’m not the one making insulting character attacks on those of us who do not share your views. We try to foster a debate. “Stalker tendencies”? This is all so pathetic and you, my good man (?), are nothing but a coward for not fronting up with who you are. This allows you to make any character assassinations without consequences and I hope others reading what you wrote are similarly disgusted. All this reminds me of the 1080 debate and all the misinformation and emotionalism this sparked among the ‘anti’ lobby. In this case, the initial opposition over the use of 1080 was among deerstalkers and not about losses of native birds, so it was vested interest politics at its worst.
          By the way, I do have a cat and love him dearly, but I attempt to implement a personal philosophy of responsible cat ownership – as far as he will cooperate that is. I would never own a cat if I lived next to or near a protected natural area or sanctuary. I saw what a plague of entire domestic cats were in Tongariro National Park and how much damage they did to this area. This is the real issue and is what frustrates Gareth and others, I’m sure. However responsible cat ownership can be expensive and its implementation can be a tradeoff between ownership and loss of wildlife if cats are not looked after, properly managed and desexed.

          • GarethMorganNeedsToGo

            Posting my personal information is not required in order for me to have an opinion. I am a responsible cat owner. Mine are strictly indoors and have been fixed since they were 8 weeks old. I am not opposed to enforcing spaying/neutering feral cats. But I am against euthanizing them. We are not God and should not feel that we have the authority to kill a living, breathing, feeling animal just because we want to. As seen on other post, HUMANS are wreaking more havoc on this earth then any other breathing animal out there.

          • Martin Nicholls

            I’m not asking you to post your personal information, just your name as is required when you write a letter to the editor in your local newspaper. Stand up and be counted. Anyway, what about the rights of our native fauna to a safe existence, free from the often cruel play torture by domestic cats that leave them uneaten once they expire and become boring.

        • Paul

          do they say cats are like their owners?

          after reading that dross …they should

          • GarethMorganNeedsToGo

            You may want to post all of your personal information, or Martin may come after you!

          • Martin Nicholls

            Just ignore him. I am from now on.

  • DennisAsher

    If you want micro Chipping to become common then it needs to be easier and cheaper. Community micro Chipping events or even home visits like the uk
    http://www.rspcaoxfordshire.org.uk/microchipping.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.gupwell Stephen Gupwell

    Hopefully someone can help here.

    What is my legal rights when cats continually come on my property. Can I shoot them, bang them over the head with a hammer and put the body out in the rubbish, trap them and get someone to pick them up?

    • Jim

      Killing a living creature that belongs to somebody else is against the law. Not to mention the fact it makes you a big jerk with no respect for other living creatures. If you’re able to kill in cold blood, I suggest seeking council, clearly you are in need of some. It’s not the cat’s fault, to make the cat pay for your displeasure is very manly of you. How about you grow some balls and talk to the owners to get to a solution?

      • Martin Nicholls

        Tell the cats not to trespass onto other people’s properties then and especially not to invade protected natural areas and bird sanctuaries. Yes, it is a daft suggestion but so are attitudes that cats should be free to go where they like and cause so much havoc to wildlife.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Trap them first, if you can, and, if they are entire (especially toms) and have no identification, assume they are strays or feral and dispose of them. If someone claims ownership and wishes to take you to court, you can claim ignorance of the cat ownership. This might make people more willing to desex and microchip their cats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.burrill.12 Sarah Burrill

    Cats are an important part of the ecosystem, specifically their role is to destroy disease carrying rodents. They also keep the bird population healthy by culling the weak and sick. Those reasons alone have to make this a redundant movement.

    • Martin Nicholls

      This is just simply a stupid and ignorant comment. New Zealand has been isolated from the nearest continental landmass for 85 my and in this time its indigenous animals evolved to thrive in the absence of mammalian predators and snakes that naturally invaded other lands. They are uniquely vulnerable to mammalian predation and, as with other island ecosystems, a readily rendered extinct. Such predators are an important part of the ecosystem due to the damage they cause. They are a negative part of the NATURAL ecosystem and if it is possible to eliminate them we should make the effort to do so.

  • Martin Nicholls

    It would seem I have had a lot of negative feedback from my comments, including that I am a horrible person for killing other people’s cats. I don;t do this anymore and I actually like cats, but I love our native fauna more and more deeply and philosophically. Like Carl, I did a great deal of soul-searching over this and it was out of final desperation that I resorted to it, especially after having to cope with the lingering smell of tomcat urine in my home and how this also impacted on my visitors. None of the cats I killed was desexed (most were toms) and my target was against what I deemed to be totally irresponsible cat owners. I hate killing anything, including rats, and I used to kill hundreds of these a week. When working in the bush I would always have to say a mantra to myself: “40 more robins, 40 more robins” to cope with the fact that killing things ate away at me a little more every time I did it. In the end though, so unaware were the cat owners in my neighbourhood that anything was amiss, nothing changed; I think this tells all. I gave up in the end.
    As for keeping cats indoors. This is a non starter, except in high rise apartment buildings, because cats jump out of windows (having to be opened in hot weather and to air the home to prevent mould).
    There was also some predictably inane feedback from Mard. Anthropocentric means that we attribute human values and characteristics to our mammals when we demonstrate preference for them over other forms of life, but this is understandable. It’s just that New Zealand has so few terrestrial native mammals and both are tiny bats. We need to think differently. But we also enjoy the sounds of our native birds, but our urban areas are now mostly silent – thanks largely to cats.
    These comments prove to me that there is a high level of intransigence from cat lovers to any positive change for the welfare of our native animals.
    To those who believe anti-cat legislation would make us the laughing stock around the world, we already have more cats per head than any other country in the world and the most lax laws to manage both their ability to roam and how they breed. Compare this with our trans-Tasman neighbours. This is in a context where our native animals are nearly uniquely vulnerable to cat predation, and the most threatened are found nowhere else in the world. Cats are common everywhere, I know where my priorities lie because extinction is forever and is on our hands if we choose to ignore what is glaringly before our eyes.
    Pest and predator control is staggeringly expensive without the ability to control them without restriction. Because of the attitudes of cat owners, pest and predator control is full of compromising restrictions when managers should be able to fully undertake control operations within their own boundaries. As Gareth asked, why does Zealandia have to be the most expensive catfood factory?

    • Jim

      So because man many years ago introduced the cat into NZ, as in the MAN created this problem, it’s the cats that need to pay? How very kind of you to make the weaker one suffer because you feel your cause is justified when the cat is not the cause of the problem, it’s the humans. The fact you have killed pets makes me have no respect for you at all, let’s talk about extinction that’s right before your eyes. Look further than just NZ, it’s people making animals extinct. We create our own problems in this world but are too busy pointing the finger at others, such as cats in this case. How very gallant of us.

      • Martin Nicholls

        So what does your view actually achieve? A misguided sense of justice for cats and other introduced species? Tell that to the geckos, skinks, kea, kaka chicks, falcon, robin, weka and kiwi that many domestic cats next to protected sanctuaries torment, torture and eventually kill, but which are left to rot. I say place a priority on the protection of our unique natural heritage and destroy the threats to it that are not indigenous. It is a no-brainer to me. I am privileged to have lived long enough to remember the dawn chorus, flocks of kakariki, South Island kokako during my back country trips, as well as bellbirds in my Christchurch home. It is what I remember and what has been lost from so many urban and periurban areas that has left me so passionate. We owe it to our children to do something and now! Man caused the problem, sure, but Man can develop the wisdom to be part of the solution.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mickey-Kelly/634113979 Mickey Kelly

      maybe give “anthropocentric” another think? You probably want to try a different word, there.

  • luke waddington

    Cats are an introduced species on par with stoats and possums When I go into my urban backyard I frequently see them on my property where I keep an aviary with a couple of cockatiels, which on several occasions they have tried to have for lunch(,or maybe just kill for fun ?) I do not care if you want to keep exotic snakes or a leopard on your property,but is it not reasonable to ensure that they remain on your property or have some sort of identification ? I do not want to interfere with an individuals liberty to have any pet that they desire, but my neighbors free roaming cats are doing just that. Gareth Morgan… bloody legend!!

  • http://twitter.com/TimsSketchPad Timothy Wright Art

    Clearly murder is always the easiest answer for people who cannot think deeply or clearly.

    Here are common sense solutions:

    #1. Do not allow people to let cats roam outdoors.

    #2 Require registration and spay/neuter.

    #3. Feral colonies should be trapped and neutered. Removing (i.e., murdering) cats who have, like HUMANS, made a home in a place they are not native, will not just go away and killing one cat open space in a colony for more.

    #4 Finally creating an enclosed sanctuary for feral cats would also solve many problems as well as protecting migration areas for birds.

    Spilling blood should NEVER EVER be the first choice. Anyone who really cares about animals would agree.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Creating an enclosed sanctuary is VERY expensive as a number of enclosed mainland islands proves. What would such a sanctuary devoted to cats achieve? Really! Why not invest this money in developing sanctuaries for our native flora and fauna and allow them to thrive?

      • http://twitter.com/TimsSketchPad Timothy Wright Art

        It would achieve a higher level of HUMANITY. Who brought felines to the island anyway? They didn’t come on their own and shouldn’t be murdered because of human stupidity.

        • Martin Nicholls

          I get sick of such facile arguments because they simply fail to address what is a very serious problem – namely the critical decline in indigenous biodiversity, especially that of our native animals. Cats are part of this problem and, as such, it is incumbent on human beings (who, yes, created the problem in the first place) to do something about it and attempt to reverse the decline in every way practicable. We deal with possums, stoats, ferrets, rats and mice and nobody I am aware of cries any tears over them. Why are cats any different when they are in the wrong place and causing so much carnage to wildlife? The point is we have limited financial resources to fund mainland islands for our own fauna let alone divert these precious resources into creating sanctuaries for cats. Why bother anyway? Cats are common everywhere in the world. Our native animals are mostly uniquely ours and are not found anywhere else in the world, except in some zoos.
          I can see this argument is too great a divide for some people (the Bob Kerridges) to ever understand and my contention that we need to start allowing native species to be bred and kept as pets might change some minds and effect a rethink in some deeply ingrained psychologies. Actually, I can understand this because I happen to have a cat myself and he is a much loved part of the family. For these sanctuaries, most of you and the SPCA are not talking about family pets but cat colonies for ferals and strays that are best put down because of their ingrained and hard-wired instincts to kill wildlife to survive. The idea of such sanctuaries is just bonkers and smacks of dangerous sentimentality in the extreme.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1494324689 Patricia Schenck-Santangelo

    My kitty is a pedigreed British Shorthair. She is very intelligent, and lives INDOORS. I think she is more intelligent than those who have the bright idea to eliminate cats. What’s next, eliminate dogs because some rich “humanitarian” doesn’t like them, either? Why don’t we eliminate the terrorists who bomb and murder innocent people, or those shriveled-up, bug-infested poverty stricken people who are born of dirt-poor parents and will never serve any purpose in the grand scheme of this planet, always featured in commercials begging for us to “sponsor” them?? Whoever tries to “euthanize” my cat will be “euthanized” by my legal licensed firearm. She is a member of my family. Get a life!!

    • Paul

      using a firearm to kill Conservationists is ill-legal.

      Seek Help Patricia.

      clearly based on your response…’Cat lover’ must be a euphemism for ‘irrational human being’

      • Jim

        Don’t insult Paul, she’s emotional and feels threatened, and by saying all who claim they are a cat lover must stand for irrational human being is down right insulting. Clearly you are a cat hater.

        • Paul

          Wheres the insult??. She’s threatening to shoot people. Totally daft thing to say. Irrational, as I said. She shouldn’t feel threatened at all. No one is trying to take anything of her. Her emotional state doesn’t justify language like that. I simply meant that her behaviour seems typical and isn’t helping her cause…what ever that cause is.

          Hey!…I certainly don’t hate cats. I don’t hate anything. Respect all animals…including cats.. as they are living things. But when they are so environmentally damaging why not replace them with Canary or something

          • Jim

            Oh yes because clearly a canary gives the same vibe as a cat because they are so alike….. You can’t interact with a canary like you can with a cat, and I don’t claim that only cats are the best pets. I happen to love all pets/animals. I respect bird lovers, it would be nice as they would respect cat lovers as well and not claim NZ is better off without cats.

          • Paul

            claiming NZ would be better off without cats is simply claiming a fact. Cats in general are so destructive to native fauna and many species are becoming local extinct…in part due to cats.
            Re the canary…Im just saying people can find company with many other animals. The connection with a canary, a dog , a goldfish can be very rewarding for many people. Why not consider that possibility instead.

          • Jim

            And humans aren’t more destructive to native fauna and many species? If you look at the facts, numbers, research will show you that most species that are now extinct are because of us humans. Shouldn’t that mean that most countries are better off without humans? Your reasoning is a little faulty.

            A goldfish you can’t pet, won’t really interact so bad example to be advising to cat lovers. And those are the ones you are after all advising to take another pet instead of cats. Truth is, no pet is the same and can’t replace another, a dog is nothing like a cat. A Canary is nothing like a goldfish. To each their own.

          • Paul

            We agree on something at last Jim. People have caused the most environmental damage by far. For NZ’s extinct birds they are the primary cause. Next are Pacific rats and after that domestic cats. Well ahead of all the other creatures like stoats and weasels surprisingly.
            So Humans have caused the problem in part by introducing predators and now humans need to stand up and accept they need to reverse what they have done. Hence cat control
            I have to say this as just a personal opinion but when I ‘owned’ a cat …I never felt as though I owned it. They are so mysterious and aloof. Sometimes Id swear it would haven’t eaten me if it was my size. The sort of danger Lion owners must live with.
            But if that’s what you like…its ok. Just get it micro-chipped, de-sexed and keep it indoors at night and we wouldn’t be having this discussion

          • Jim

            Well that I do agree with, I keep my cats indoors at night and have my garden so that they can’t leave it. That way they can go outside still. They are chipped, neutered and I do dislike the catowners who don’t have their cats neutered and cause a kitten problem. They either have them killed or just let them run wild, both solutions awful. When it’s their fault to begin with. And that’s why many reactions here irk me, people caused this problem, cats should not be punished for it. People need to be taught/forced to treat their pets responsibly. But no need to have the cats banned.

          • Paul

            Jim,

            If everyone was like you, there would be no need to ban cats at all.
            cheers

          • Martin Nicholls

            And what we carelessly and often nostalgically bring with us whenever we invade new lands.

    • Martin Nicholls

      You need to take a deep breath and take the time to read what is being proposed. Responsible cat ownership is the first advocacy here. Anyway, let’s stay focused on New Zealand and the particular problems we have here with predatory mammals that are destroying our native wildlife. But attitudes like yours and others of your ilk remind me of the divisions in society and the shameful violence during the 81 Springbok Tour.

  • Shawna D

    I have been reading these comments and the one thing I have noticed is that the only one answering these questions is Geoff Simmons, is this Gareth to afraid to speak up? I also noticed that the link says “garethsworld” so does that mean he wants to make earth his world? Just wondering. I am also a very responsible cat owner and I have to say if I didn’t have my cats I would not be here. So I wonder how many other people are the same? If I am not alone are you suggesting we end our cats lives, then are own?
    I also thought I heard somewhere that cats were imported in to places like NZ in order to control the rat population so that people didn’t get the plague and die?? Don’t get me wrong I am all for TNR but to say that you want to eliminate all cats, is this for publicity or is that you real intent and you are trying to hide by arguing that you want to “control” the cat popluation? Everyone knows that control is an illusion, what makes you so different??

    • Martin Nicholls

      No, I’ve seen a few feedback comments from Gareth. He does have a day job, you know. Also Gareth is definitely walking the talk and putting his money where his mouth is and has done for years now… Maungatautari, Million Dollar Mouse and he is a Zealandia supporter.

  • Anthony

    I don’t always agree with Mr Morgan, but I respect that he is not afraid to confront challenging issues. I had a lovely cat for 18 years, but in spite of the love I had for me wee moggy, I certainly would not have a cat now seeing the damage she inflicted on the local wildlife. The exclusion of cats from our flora and fauna should also, naturally, be read in conjunction to the 250k+ feral cats that roam our country. My personal preference for ridding pest would begin with possums followed by mustelids (mind u, getting rid of one pest species leaves space for the proliferation of other pests (e.g. ridding the bush of cats and mustelids leaves space for rats and mice pop. to explode). I encourage healthy debate on the subject

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, cats may have a preference for ground feeding native birds like robin. It depends on the individual cat and the removal of rodents would not make the slightest difference overall in native bird numbers. But, in general, yes, there is a predator guild relationship among predators. However, it does take a brave (and lucky) cat to take on a stoat. They are dauntless and are extremely fast and aggressive when defending themselves. Ferrets are little less feisty. Any cat worth its salt would find the easy pickings of naive native birds irresistable.
      I think so too; I think Gareth is brave to stick his neck out on this topic and it has already been bitten off and gnawed at.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Just to add to my comment earlier, I noticed at Bushy Park that robins like to feed on the ground in the evening as the sun sets. On Kapiti, weka are most active in the evenings and early in the night. This makes these species highly vulnerable to cat predation right at the time whan cats begin most of their hunting activities. This is something Raewyn Empson might want to think about when she advocates keeping cats indoors during the day and letting them out at night so they can hunt rodents. I expect robins to forage in neighbouring and adjacent suburban areas if they include these areas within their territories.

  • Paul

    we adopted a cat 10 years ago from the SPCA. It was called Ben. From that point on Ben brought home Wayeyes, Tui, various Finches , huge stick insects, Weta, mice and the entire stock of goldfish from the neighbors pond. Never ate any of them because he wasn’t hungry.

    It was very sad to see all the destruction he brought.. even with bells around his neck…including other attempts at curbing his behaviour such as keeping him inside much of the time

    He was run over and killed one day as he often lay in the middle of the road.

    I would never replace him.

    nor should anyone else in a similar situation

    • Martin Nicholls

      This has been my experience also and is why I am a supporter (with conditions) of what Gareth and Geoff are trying to do. Many of the SPCA animals are rescued semi-feral moggies that have been given a better life. They had become hard-wired to be very efficient hunters and can never be changed. It is better just to shoot them, better for them and better for us.

      • Paul

        I phoned up the SPCA last year and this was basically how the conversation panned out:

        ….”cats are killing the Tui that have come back into our garden…I’m desperate to protect them, what can I do?”
        SPCA;… “Its not our problem”
        …”In part it is”
        SPCA;… “why?”

        …. “because you are spreading the cats around.”

        Big sigh from other end of phone.

        SPCA;…”If you believe the cats are feral, we can provide you with a cage trap and we will try and find a new home for them”.

        ..”But that wont help the Tui somewhere else” .
        SPCA:…”Its not our problem”

        • Martin Nicholls

          Are they the SPCA in Auckland? From my experience they are the most irresponsible. This is where we need to hold the SPCA to account. They give out dribbles of information that incriminates them but only those who write things down, record them (or download off Radio New Zealand), or have good long-term memories can be actually connect the dots and show them up for what they really are. The SPCA are no friends of natural biodiversity or the cause of nature conservation.

          With their attitudes to homing abandoned kittens (or even, for goodness sake, ferals) they are highly antagonistic to the efforts of any sanctuary manager or to conservation iniatives.

          I have downloaded a very good interview by Jim Mora with Robyn Kippenberger of the SPCA regarding Bengal hybrid cat breeds and what she asserted was nothing short of alarming and was incredibly ignorant from someone who is meant to be the CEO of the organisation. If I felt confortable about disclosing my email address over this forum (given how much hate responses I have received) I would send it to you. By way of contrast, there was a more recent interview with Raewyn Empson of Zealandia (“Cat Troubles”), also with Jim Mora, which is more recent and puts a lot in perspective. Her contribution is very reasonable and positive.

          • Paul

            Raewyn Empson used to be with DOC…. she’s seen the destruction first hand and I imagine a good communicator on the matter.
            SPCA is driven totally on a sentimental basis. Preventing cruelty to animals generally on the back burner nowadays when you re comments such as those Bob Kerridge made. The new occupation seems to be redistributing cats all over the two main Islands as fast a predator controllers can remove them from parks and reserves. If it wasn’t so serious it might be hilarious.
            It was the Masterton SPCA

          • Martin Nicholls

            Yes she did and she’s a very measured and diplomatic person, in contrast to Bob Kerridge and other such fanatics. Masterton, eh. It seems their plague is spreading widely. When it comes to cruelty, I don’t think they know the true or wider meaning of the word. However, their support is very wide and it would take something remarkable to break their grip on public opinion, no matter how well articulated is their opposition. If one were to listen to the attitude of associate conservation minister, Peter Dunne, then I don’t think there would be political traction either to move the debate even into the centre (where he allegedly likes to reside).

          • Paul

            Bob Kerridge has definitely lost the plot, going on what he said on TV3 recently . And air lifting cats out of CHCH at the cost $40 each to spread elsewhere…ahhh…I almost had a heart attack when I saw that on the news.

            the SPCA seem to have a following that is ill-informed and sentimental about cats and react as though this initiative to ”make you cat your last cat” is somehow a personal attack on themselves and fail to see that it is actually a genuine approach to try and address the issue.
            The politicians might jump in one day if they see a shift somewhere…but they love flying with the wind though…true

  • Martin Nicholls

    For those (most likely children) who get a pet female kitten for Christmas and who don’t get her spayed think about this. At ten or eleven months she then has her first litter (the first may be four kittens) and she could have another six months later. Your parents have no luck finding homes for them so what to do. It’s too cruel to drown them (and it definitely is) so dump them live in the bush where they are expected to fend for themselves, feasting on what is left of our avifauna, large insects and reptiles. Your mums or dads may find the $80 to $140 dollars in vet bills to have your cat spayed to be too expensive for your budget so your cat has litter after litter and the kittens are routinely let go in the bush. This is a sickeningly common pattern here in Taranaki. Furthermore, your neighbours have to put up with increased tomcat activity and spraying, food stealing, as well as nocturnal serenading and loathsome cat fights.

    But all you cat lovers and the SPCA should consider this: most dumped kittens will die of starvation and would be traumatised by being severed from family contact (despite all claims to the contrary cats can be very social creatures). Those that survive will grow to become feral killers within one generation in order to survive. So releasing these kittens into the bush at six weeks of age or younger is actually a very cruel and deluded practice – and is arguably illegal.

    • Jim

      I don’t think animal lovers dump cats, those that do are not capable of loving something that’s alive. And those are the people that should be looked at, not all cat owners.

      • Martin Nicholls

        This is the whole point. Because of cats’ capacity to breed prolifically it takes only a few of these people who dump their unwanted kittens to soon lead to mayhem for our indigenous fauna. I agree with you that it is hard to appreciate how such people could ever be animal lovers. Trouble is too many people who can’t afford it are given these cute, cuddly and entire kittens and they later become a problem that is too expensive for them to deal with. Try to say no to a child who so desperately wants a kitten. It is very hard, especially when their more well-to-do school friends have them.

  • Jim

    I am a cat owner and all my cats are neutered and chipped. Sadly, I’ve had to fence my garden to keep my cats in my garden alone, because I wanted to protect the birds? No, to protect my cats from hating people wanting to harm them and have harmed them. This website only helps those hating people to justify getting rid of cats and it’s frustrating to see this much hate. Who are you to say birds are more important than cats or other animals? You’re not god, you have no right to make this ridiculous claim to get NZ free of cats. To claim the cats were man made and therefor not indigenous to NZ…..ever thought about the fact animals were there before man was? You yourself do not belong in your own country and are most likely the biggest predator, since that is what humans are.

    Humans too have instinct to kill, and they do that, daily, with litter, with cars, with poor habits. If you are in fact one that believes in god, then perhaps you need to read it again. We are not gods and never should act as those or even step up as self proclaimed protector. We should respect all that lives and treat them humane. Not ban them simply because you don’t like them. People like you make me appreciate animals even more, there’s only one beast on the earth, and that are we, the human.

  • Susan Leslie

    Gareth, I usually agree with your ideas, but this is insane. As you have admitted, we LOVE our cats! I have always had, and will always have, at least one cat in my life. I would however support a less aggressive approach, such as a requirement to microchip, collar and register (if it was a one off-fee) all cats, and catching and re-homing or destroying strays.

  • Albert_van_der_Heijden

    I just read about the cat problem in your country, due to a link in the newspaper I usually read – here on the other side of the planet. I must admit that I am a ‘cat-person’, have owned a few cats (I don’t know how many, 5, 6?) and as a writer that one of these days wishes to launch his first sf-novel that is about people that have evolved from – indeed – cats, I support the idea to remove the exotic animal from New Zealand 100%.
    Some 30 years ago I was given the Grzimek encyclopedia (16 volumes) and the what I read most from it was the section on cats, and what lingered most was an experiment once performed with a cat: when would it stop to kill mice? As I recall, it stopped killing mice after some 25 mice, and after that it just started playing with it, and the reseachers stopped the experiment with 39 mice; a cat just responds to movement, and is in this respect not much smarter than a bird, which in its turn is by times a truly stupid life-form. (Don’t ask me about birds, they truly are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.)
    Cats are nice and fluffy, however, what’s the need? Here in Holland it is estimated that about 3 to 5% of the agricultural aeria is taken to feed our cats alone for the food to raise the cattle to feed to the cat.
    Don’t bother about Holland, there is no ‘real’ nature left, if it comes to me, all is artificial. Which might be seen as a shame, but since it is the port to Europe and people have to live someplace too, I accept that, and I don’t mind gravely. Except for the surplus of the destruction of nature just for ‘fun’. And if it is not just that, then it is the economical downside of destruction of natural resources that factually gets crapped out by the cat.
    Here in Holland we feed cows to the cat – next to some wildlife it gets down by itself. But that’s something that comes from our own pocket, and is not on the expense of some elses family that sings like a bird. What’s the problem is on second base that cats are around – its the animal that’s on the first base: the people which are feeding it to assure it stays alive.
    I do not admonish people to starve cats or to start killing them, on the contrary. One has taken up a responsability to take care for them, and once this commitment has been made, one has to fullfil it. But as with one’s own proper child, one is also responsible for the other thing: keeping check on it. And when my child breaks a window I (fortunately) can replace it.
    In cases of life and death, I like to quote Gandalf talking to Frodo about Gollem, who said something like: ‘You can take away life, but can you give it back?’
    A dead bird gives at best mourning parents. Species however, don’t have parents.
    I hope for you people down there you take good care of your cats for they are nice and fluffy and careless murderers, and for the rare birds which are by times even worse than your cat but are without defence against your children.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynfarr Cynthia Farr Artist

    I own a cat and he has never been outside I believe all cat owners should leave their cats inside all the time They dont care to go outside if they have never been outside YOU ARE RIGHT ALL CATS ARE KILLERS AND THEY KILL FOR THE FUN OF IT SO MY CAT HAS NEVER KILLED ANYTHING BECAUSE HE IS AN INDOOR CAT

    • Paul

      you are a gem Cynthia.

    • Alicia Martin

      Yeeeah that has as much logic in that sentence then a cow wearing shoes and speaking in riddles does.

      My cats are outdoor cats and have NEVER KILLED ANYTHING! Your logic is completely flawed, sorry, but not all cats WILL kill another living creature, mine have NO intrest in killing a bird or mouse, one is blind and the other lets birds SIT on it and it doesn’t care at all, I wouldn’t be surprised if some day it washed a bird as if it were the birds mother.

      Good for you for having an indoors cat but NOT all cats CAN be indoors cats, some cats love being indoors cats and others hate it and will ruin your furniture etc if you leave it indoors because it loathes being cooped up all day every day! How would YOU like it if you were forced to stay inside ALL day EVERY day and not allowed out? You will get cabin fever and want to rip your hair out due to so much boredom. Well this is like how it is for some cats, you will basically make them want to kill themselves because they are just so damn bored and need the brain stimulation of being outside.

      So sorry but not every cat likes the indoors EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. of it’s life and NOT all cats, when let out, will go out and kill another living creature, your ignorance is astounding.

  • Mard

    Seeing all those cool looking black cats under the crescent moon really makes me want to go get a pet cat!

    • Paul

      A Bengal Tiger would suite you down to the ground.
      But please keep it in at night.

  • rumraisinful

    Hooray Cats to Go! Pet ownership has become a mental illness. Too many self-centered, entitled, needy people force animals to be dependent on them without caring for them properly claiming they have rights and their pets are property. Besides killing birds, cats and other carnivores contaminate the environment with their worm-invested fecal matter and spread disease to wildlife. Few owners keep their pets inside and instead allow them to irresponsibly roam neighborhoods and countrysides without any consideration for the safety of the animal or other animals. This self-centered justification of animal abuse has got to go. I realize pet owners NEED their pets. If you need therapy, get counseling.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sharon-Collette/1619971187 Sharon Collette

    do you think maybe it’s the climate and people that are the problem and not the cats !!!

  • http://twitter.com/amanda10047 Manda Panda

    Just curious if you had an opinion on indoor cats? you seem to cover just about everything well-fed cats,my cat would never do that, etc…
    My cat is indoor never goes outside, she isnt allowed to.
    Is she still a neiborhood killer as you put it?

  • Guest

    Hello
    I am a 3 cat owner from Denver Colorado USA.
    Cats are killers.
    My oldest cat was given to my late wife, I found a (one) kitten in my neighborhood and another one is from a farm.
    All my cats are spayed or neutered.
    No cat I own goes outside unless I put it in a large cage I constructed in my yard for that purpose. Small cages work too.
    From personal experience I know cats must be kept out of nature and they have to be eradicated when possible. Yes I own cats and say this!
    Responsible cat ownership requires you to keep you killer from doing that.
    I suggest that cat owners screen off a porch or build a large cage.
    Do not ever let your “snuggumms” run wild.
    Here in Colorado there are predatory fox and coyote (wild dog) that kill stray cats, (especially in cities where trash, garbage and greenbelt areas provide food and shelter).
    Feral cats in our farm country kill natives( pheasant, quail,etc).
    Feral cat in the wild need to be eradicated here in the US.
    I hunt to feed my family. I personally know how cats impact the natural environment. I have a hard time convincing fellow hunters.
    Responsible management of cats in mandatory. (Feral and domestic.)
    Responsible hunters here need to eradicate all feral cats humanly and responsibly whenever and wherever possible.

    Don’t let any cat ruin New Zealand.
    Your island is vital and important to the Earth, preserve it before it gets any worse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Merlin/1277071487 Brian Merlin

    dude with all due respect cats are SUPER CUTE AND AWESOME! if people keep them spayed and indoors can’t we live in peace? i don’t even own one, but my friend has two indoor spayed ones and I think that that is fine medium and that if people spay and keep the indoors we both can achieve what we want. I just think they are cute, please don’t kill the wild ones, give them to shelters in America, pretty please!

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      If the cats are inside they are not a problem. All we are asking is that people are responsible cat owners. But if they don’t want their cats to be inside and they value our native wildlife then they can consider making a choice not to have another cat.

  • George

    Great site. I hope it succeeds in changing peoples awareness about owning cats as pets in NZ.

    • Uschi

      I hope so to George. With my hand on my heart.

  • Dan

    I saw a picture of a kitten with devil horns and red eyes in one of the stories about this site, I really like the photo! Can someone send me the pic? my email address is tcfwhomp@yahoo.com Thanks in advance.

  • Amanda

    “So are you suggesting that I just go out and have my cat euthanised?

    Not necessarily but that is an option…”

    Are you mad?! Do you have no idea how this sentence sounds? If you don’t want to alienate every sane person who visits your site, change this sentence immediately!

    I have owned several cats- all of them indoor only, all of them adopted from shelters, and all of them spayed/ neutered. I will continue to own cats as long as there are cats to be adopted at shelters. I completely support spaying and neutering, and keeping cats indoors (for many of the reasons you mention!)

    Several aspects of this site upset me, and I am an Audubon member who is very sympathetic to the plight of birds! Cats are not the problem, irresponsible pet owners (i.e. humans) are the problem. Please, sensationalist language like this only makes people upset. The important message here is keeping ALL pets indoors and spayed and neutered. You’ll win more support if you make that message front and center.

    This whole “last cat you ever own” nonsense is ridiculous. At least here in the US, there are enough stray animals to keep everyone well stocked in pet cats for the foreseeable future..

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Amanda the site makes it very clear we are not asking anyone to bop their cats on the head. We are asking them to not replace them when they die, and if they can’t bear that thought, be responsible cat owners as you suggest.

  • Uschi

    Having just seen the TV 3 video minutes ago, I have to say it was deeply shocking to see the comments of Bob Kerridge. “a cat free area is not a good area” when we eradicate cats “we start to interfer in the balance of nature”. Those two statements are the greatest height of ignorance Ive ever seen in this debate. Clearly the SPCA has no policy for the protection of NZ native wildlife, its rapidly declining biodiversity and localised extinctions based on that reponse.
    NZ has already interferred in the balance of Nature by introducing cats and any true balance for the environment will only occur when they are gone.
    Gareth made total Sense. “make you cat your last cat” Brilliant

  • Uschi

    The SPCA rehomes thousands of unwanted cats every year. They even shipped them out of CHCH after the earthquake and deposited them all over the country. It’s simply rediculous. Surely DOC should have said something? By just euthanising them humainly they would save the needless suffering of hundreds more animals (the cats future victims).

    I think the SPCA should stick to its core function of protecting animals from suffering cruelty and stop trying to reverse the work of Conservation in NZ.

    I would rather have a range lizards , insects and birds in my garden….. than the neighbours cats any day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

    The humans arrived in NZ destroying around 60% of the forest. Do you consider baning humans of the territory?

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      Some have raised the soft headed notion that I shouldn’t pick on cats when humans have created most problems that face us today. This is a popular line among the loony ‘cat rights’ advocates. It overlooks the obvious point that humans have caused the cat problem. Should we not fix it?

      • http://www.facebook.com/johnson.burger.7 Johnson Burger

        So people who advocate cats rights are ”loony”? Don’t you think you have insulted enough people i.e. Phoenix fans? Come on Gareth at least stay professional on your own site. Teachers advocate the rights of a good educational system do you also think that they are ”loony”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/fran.pagel Fran Pagel

    There were no walking mammals in NZ in past. So why not ban all of them of NZ? Starting with humans please. They destroy forest and other enviroments to build houses, apartments, factorys, for pastory (do cats eat cows and sell wool? I dont think so). You are the natural serial killer!

  • ppmaq

    Um, Humans are responsible for killing a lot too, why don’t we exterminate them ? THIS PROPOSITION IS STUPID! Stop trying to portray cats as evil just because they follow their nature! Do something to protect the birds, neuter the cats, you dont have to KILL them…

    • Paul

      Portraying a cat as a devil is a metaphor. Cant you see that.? To bring awareness of their true nature of being such dangerous predator to NZ wildlife. NZ animals have no defense against them

      No one says kill your cat.

      When you cat dies…simply dont replace it and do something for the environment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=854910283 Karen Lyn

    You are going about this all wrong, mate. The humans are the culprits. NZ without Humans – new slogan. Get on it. Just think of all the wildlife that could reclaim their former habitats! Fantastic! Remove all the people from NZ and they take their cats with them. Problem solved.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      @facebook-854910283:disqus and @disqus_5xwR5AmyBu:disqus, some have raised the soft headed notion that I shouldn’t pick on cats when humans have created most problems that face us today. This is a popular line among the loony ‘cat rights’ advocates. It overlooks the obvious point that humans have caused the cat problem. Should we not fix it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mickey-Kelly/634113979 Mickey Kelly

    Hi – I’d like to know what is meant by an “eradication facility for unregistered cats”. I’d also like to know what will happen when people “trap and turn in unwanted cats”.

    Are we talking about shipping these cats to some back room where they can be killed without any fuss?

    Forgive me for asking.

    I like the idea of microchipping and licensing a pet as it helps reunite lost cats with their families. Spay and neuter programs are good, too, especially when it comes to treating feral cat colonies (although I get the feeling this campaign wouldn’t care to alter a feral cat when it would be easier and cheaper to ship it than “eradication facility” (will they use gas ovens? I hear those have been found to be very effective with unwanted humans, so they’d probably work with unwanted cats. And if the cats are unwanted, you probably don’t need to be nice about it, do you?

    Anyway, if we could skip the topic of “eradication” for a bit, can I ask why you chose to go straight to “eradicating” cats (darn it -this is harder than I thought) instead of campaigning for responsible ownership? I mean, I have a very healthy community of birds on my property and a cat that stays indoors. Why not campaign for keeping cats indoors? Is it easier to kill a cat than to keep it indoors in New Zealand? Or is just preferable and more satisfying to know that there aren’t any cats anywhere?

    When the last cat is dead (whoops – I meant “eradicated”), do you think you might have to do something about other animal species? I notice that many species of rodent and other birds can do a lot of damage to nestlings and some avian predators can even take apart a prey bird on the wing. You may have to expand your “eradication” program.

    A final note – do you think it’s possible some cat owners consider cats to be a part of the family and that many – whether they are children or lonely seniors – find in the company of cats companionship, love, and crucial emotional support. I think you might be asking a lot of those people.

    Are you sure you couldn’t bear the thought of campaigning to keep cats indoors rather than to wipe them off the map?

    Humbly and respectfully submitted.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Mickey, thanks for the reasonable and well thought through post. We aren’t asking anyone to kill their cats. We are asking that they consider the impact of having a cat and ideally don’t replace it when it dies (of natural causes!). If people can’t bear that thought, then absolutely the next best thing is to be a responsible pet owner – use a bell, keep your cat indoors etc. So we are campaigning for exactly what you suggest. Of course the simplified claims that we want to ‘ban’ or ‘eradicate’ all cats has gained more traction in the media.

      We are also calling for cats to be managed like dogs are – have all cats registered, chipped and neutered. Then if unregistered cats are found on private or public property, they could be euthanaised. We don’t allow stray or feral dogs to wander around killing – why do we do that with cats?

  • Xavier Payne

    How many NZ birds do cats actually kill? Well, tell me if my math is wrong, because it might very be the case. But the TV3 Campbell Live program featured a Lower Hutt man who kept detailed count of all the birds and other animals that his cat killed and brought home over its lifetime. The number of birds came to 223 that his cat brought home. So let’s use that number since he was very careful about keeping accurate count. There are a number of good studies from around the world that found between 21% and 26% of cat kills are brought back to the owner’s house, which means that we must multiply 223 by approximately 4.7, which equates to 1048 birds that the Lower Hutt man’s cat probably killed over its life. If estimates are accurate that NZ has 1.41 million domestic cats at the moment, this means that, over the course of those cat’s lifetimes, they will kill around 1.4 BILLION of our country’s birds. Then if we divide that number by the average life expectancy of a cat, this comes out to approximately 93 MILLION birds per year, which is far higher than the usual estimates we hear of 28-30 million per year. Is it possible that my math is correct? If so, we obviously need to revise the numbers of bird killings that we are faced with each year in this country.

    • Paul

      What one man recorded is not science. Simply what one man recorded. So calm down.
      You know and every body knows…cat lovers as well people who actually care about the environment, that cats kill needlessly hundreds of native invertebrates,amphibians, lizards and birds in during their lifespans

  • Paul

    Its a puzzle to me that the GREEN PARTY is silent in this issue? They have no policy to specifically deal with this introduced predator…one that is the third most dangerous destructive force on native and endemic animals that this country has ever seen.
    Metiria Turei suggested ‘Greens’ would get the unemployed to Clean rivers of Didymo if they were in power after the last election. Didymo is nasty stuff but probably gets such bad press because it looks unpleasant. Cats on first glance are furry and cuddly and any politician who speaks against them worries about the reaction of the public.

    The truth is…cats are ‘unwanted organisms’ too. ‘Wolves in a sheep’s clothing” They are the Didymo of the forest and the Didymo of the suburban garden .

  • j cole

    This site is hilarious, my cat is so lazy I would be thrilled if it caught even two insects a year. Oh n by the way, has this nutter gareth seen what a weak cat community looks like? It looks like south east Asia where (i have lived and) the rats are bigger than the cats n the cats are so skinny n weak with hunger they can’t even walk straight. Sure is a pretty sight, filled with cockroaches, n one we could bring to NZ if we want to follow Gary boys rediculous reasoning…and all the rat diseases with it. At least our cats here look healthy n r loved n cared for and are big enough to take on the rat population n keep it under control. Had about 7 cats over a 20 plus year period, never all at once mind u, but never once seen a native bird caught. A few mice/baby rats caught, the odd insect n can vaguely recall a sparrow or two being caught at least eight years ago at our old address, so along with many other cat owners I can’t relate to the claims that this site makes.

    • Paul

      your cat’s dont kill much because there’s nothing left for them to kill.
      This site only claims the obvious…. pull youre head out of the sand

  • Alicia Martin

    After reading this site it has just made me realize more how idiotic this whole campaign is! Yes I am a cat lover, I have two cats and one is nearly blind while the other actually LOVES birds, it loves birds so much that it lets any and ALL birds who want to have something to eat actually eat straight out of its bowl while it just sits there and WATCHES not even half a foot away, hell, I even saw a sparrow SITTING on it one day as it just laid there half asleep, it just didn’t care. So please, Mr Morgan, do NOT tell me ALL domestic cats are to blame for killing native birds also when they are not! Cat’s that are almost blind CAN’T kill anything and even when my cat could see she STILL couldn’t catch anything, seriously, my DOG has caught rats and mice more times then what she has! She has caught ONE mouse in her life time and even then she didn’t kill it, she ended up breaking its leg and that was it and walked away and left it.

    This country has far bigger problems killing our wildlife then cats and guess what our NUMBER 1 killer is to the native birds? HUMANS! Yes, that is right, we humans are, sure we have things like HEDGEHOGS that kill ground nesting birds (remember the kiwi? Our national bird? THEY are ground nesting birds unless you care to tell us kiwi are no longer part of the bird species) and POSSUMS that kill native birds and FERRETS that kill our native birds etc but we humans are the WORST. Why do I say that? Because we humans cut down thousands of trees EVERY year and guess what? Cats can’t use chainsaws or axes so you can’t blame that on felines and guess what happens when those trees get cut down? If you guessed tree living animals like NATIVE BIRDS die then you would be correct!

    Also Mr Morgan you have also forgotten something, guess who dumps hundreds of cats EVERY YEAR because we are far too lazy to take them to an animal shelter, SPCA or vet? HUMANS! If it wasn’t for us humans dumping so many cats we wouldn’t have so many feral cats as we have now. Also, let us look back in history a bit, it was a HUMAN by the name of Captain James Cook and later whalers and sealers however it wasn’t till the 1830′s that they became common and in the 1870′s farmers (a HUMAN profession) wanted them used to keep the rabbits down because the rabbits were killing their crops and many cats were used for that.

    So do NOT tell me that cats are the number 1 reason why our native birds are getting killed! I agree that a SMALL (and I am talking VERY small) part of the problem is their fault but we have other animals, INCLUDING HUMANS (if we are not the WORSE of it) that are to blame here. You want to get rid of all cats and yet you will be left with hedgehogs, ferrets and possums (just to name a few) that will STILL be killing off the native birds well after they are gone and we humans will be also.

    Now, just one last thing before I finish this off, would you like to live in a country that is overrun with rats and mice? Two of the main breeders of deadly diseases? We, in New Zealand, take pride in having a beautiful clean green country where people from all over want to visit and yet without cats killing all the rats and mice we would be INFESTED with them! We do have have a piped piper who can make the mice and rats leave just by playing his magical flute, this is real life, this isn’t some fairy tale. If we get rid of cats NO ONE will want to come to New Zealand because they don’t want to wake up to several rats eating their baby girl for breakfast or ending up getting the Bubonic Plague and then where will our country be? EVERYONE including New Zealanders, will be running over to Australia JUST to try and get free of the increase of rats and mice (and illness) that has now become more rampant then it has in years and all because YOU want to rid the place of the number one mouse/rat killer.

    Mr Morgan I once thought you were of sane mind but now I am starting to wonder how sane you really are if you honestly think cats are the biggest problem New Zealand’s native birds have to face, look in the mirror, a huge problem New Zealands native birds have to face is staring right back at you.

  • Paul

    The issue ALICIA MARTIN is that cats in general kill with impunity. They are not regulated in any way. Humans are (laws), Rats are (pest destruction boards). Cats are not. And with a million cats in country… unregulated and roaming widely each night…such an argument as this is perfectly valid and justified.

  • j cole

    I only came to this site so I could vote ‘NO’

    • Paul

      well now you can go away

  • Tell It Like It Is

    This is a disgusting and extremist proposition. I’m glad I don’t live in NZ. Just keep it to yourselves.
    Cats are wonderful pets and very therapeutic, as much or more than dogs. But I suspect this is just another manifestation of that old sexist thing whereby it is supposed to be funny or some right of passage for two legged males to be cruel to cats.

    I wish you all the failure you deserve with this campaign. But before I close, I hope your bias against cats has not blindsided you. For example, I watched a documentary programme on ABC or SBS some years ago which showed that dogs at night travel in packs and do just as much – or perhaps more – killing of birds and the like.
    I do agree that all cats should be indoors. Who WOULD want them killing birds. On the other hand, I could not sleep at night if I did not know our own beloved cat was inside, warm and secure and safe from people like you!

    • Paul

      The media presents issues to the public to create sensation. They rarely are interested in the truth. You obviously are ,but youre angry perhaps because of what youve heard.

      I feel I can put you right.

      ‘catstogo’ only asks people be responsible like you. And others who are not so, to consider the idea that maybe they could make their cat, their last cat.

      I wish you were currently a representative cat owner of NZ. But sadly youre not.

      Our own SPCA..respected for a long by me and many others, has betrayed us. It said ”butt out”…we don’t care that we spread unwanted cats around to kill native species. Domestic introduced cats have every right to kill native and endemic Taonga on NZ…they have implied.

      people are speaking out against this outrage

      Please join that cause if you feel protective to birds.

  • Peter B

    Menu ideas for your cat..

    Catatooee (you’ll need two cats)

    Cataflan

    Catarolle

    Catpie

    Catstard

    Catalonne

    Anyone think of any more?

    Here’s a instructive video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryBXI-wVtE

  • Geri8924@Yahoo.com

    I wonder what pet or pets Mr. Morgan has and how he feeds them

  • Rachel

    Stopping someone from owning a cat as a pet isn’t going to stop animals from killing birds and other small species. It’s called the food-chain and there’s no harm in it, it’s natural. If the species of native birds is being depleted so badly, why is there no significant change in the environment? Just keep them indoors if you don’t want them killing creatures. It’s unhealthy for them anyway (diseases, parasites, etc.). And I would strongly recommend changing the website to advertise the “What you can do” page on the Home part of the website; it makes things more clear. People (and I did at first) stumble upon this website thinking it’s was an all out cat ban.

  • greg

    Hi there, I think saving the kiwi is a great cause and I do understand that cats like to catch wildlife it’s very natural and I love having a cat catch mice around the house.
    My question, Is there other animals that are a risk to the wild life too?
    i.e. small dogs, rats, why just pick on cats as all animals are out to hunt.
    Ohope beach has kiwis living in its native bush but there are cat’s, small dogs and every other wild life there yet kiwis are still living here and being released into this area.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=534858071 David Johnson

    1) Although some may consider it an additional taxation, I dont see a problem with registering my cat or giving it a microchip, as it is rather inappropriate to expect dog owners to comply with such registration, but not cat people. Where there is a problem is enforcing an inside rule only, or curfew.
    2) A dog let out at night (beyond a gate) would 80% of the time become lost or hurt or killed. They do not have the skill or instinct to survive, its just a fact. A cat not only has this skill, but is closer to its native origin and operates on a far higher level of instinct than an average dog. Not only is it capable of taking care of itself, it requires the freedom to simply … be a cat. To have an ‘indoor’ cat, the process usually starts very early in life for the cat, and it grows up understanding that the outside is to be feared. Taking outdoor cats and locking them up inside, is abuse.
    3)The idea that a ‘neighbor’ can entrap a cat and either give it into an authority, without any legal recourse to return it to its owner is wrong, punitive and would speak more to the catchers desire to do harm to someone else’s cat than the owners inability to keep their cat in.
    4) Morgan is not a person who should be directly seen in the media. He does not show well, does not explain the position well, and the hatred he shows towards cats is clearly apparent, which in effect makes any argument from him null and void and all one sees is his incapability of discussion or compromise. He’s scary, get a spokesman, and stay off the news.
    5) Cant he find something a little more usefull to spend his money on that would actually help mankind? There is more to this world than birds and cats.
    6) N.Z. allowed cats into the country, and even all through the years of recognizing the natural diversity of NZ, and creating many laws and rules to protect the indigenous animals and plants, cats were allowed. Now it is too late, there are too many, and the people see the right to have a cat as a fundamental right.. The bed has been made, its time to accept that.
    Learn to deal with your dead birds, the world has moved on.

  • Meow

    Meow! Meow meow meow meow..MEOW! Meow meow meow meow meow. Meow MEOW!

    • Paul

      please have your-self neutered

  • http://www.facebook.com/belinda.e.boyles Belinda E. Boyles

    My cats kill NOTHING AND NO ONE. They live INDOORS and don’t ever go outside. It would be ludicruous for me to get rid of them because someone ‘thinks’ we need more birds. Birds are a scourge in a different way, they are dirty, noisy and unpleasant much of the time. My cats harm nothing and no one and are a total delight. GET REAL.

    • Paul

      No one is trying to take your cats off you Belinda. That is wonderful to hear how responsible a pet owner you are.

      The message is really aimed at encouraging more such responsibility as yours.
      Most people…obviously not you….unleash their cats on the world…let them fight each other and destroy entire communities of native species in suburban gardens ,parks and reserves with impunity. This is wrong.
      The message to those people is simply a plea…please consider making your cat, your last cat. Surely that’s ok to ask anyone?

  • tony

    What will be next, the mind boggles, cats keep the rodent population down, hence birds have a chance of survival. Dogs bite people, people kill people, mmmm…should we get rid of the human race?

    • Paul

      in 1880 that was true maybe.Well, actually not, because the cats found the birds easier prey than the rodents. Only when they had helped wipe out many of the easy target species like piopio and huia and quail …did they look at the rats.

      But hang on why are there still rats around…and 60 endemic bird species are extinct?

      This is 2013. Trust me . Rodents in your house can be controlled more cheaply ,by other means.

  • Paul

    By spreading cats around the country, instead of humanely euthanizing them when they have the chance, the SPCA is threatening the biodiversity of NZ native fauna.

    This is a cruel action by them.

  • Serena

    Out of curiousity… how many living creatures, not just birds, are killed in a WEEK by humans beings? Shall we speak of, ah, trees destroyed to make paper, of the tons of damage caused by gas fumes (which you as a motorcyclist ought to know well)? What will be the next step? Eradicating all this too? Eradicating all predator species, since we’re at it? Besides, blaming cats of “not being innocent” or “being serial killers” actually implies that they have the moral responsibilities of their actions. But that is not quite the case, Mr. Morgan! Animals – be it cats or any other predator species – have no concept of “right” or “wrong”. They’re not out to systematically kill birds because they hate them. That’s the stuff human beings do. A cat bears the ancestry of animals used to live in the wilderness, where food *must* always be hunted down (and killed, save for some scavenging species like hyenas and vultures – not that they *can’t* kill a prey if they have to -) and is never taken for granted. Even if they are regularly feed by their owners, they might indulge in chasing a rodent or a bird if the chance occurs the same way a human being might indulge in picking a fruit from a tree. Besides, often times cats just play with the animals they catch and bring them – scared mayhaps, but living – to their owners, who can then release the “prey” out of the cat’s reach. Furthermore… ever counted up how many birds get crushed under the wheels of cars or motorcycles? How many chickens and turkeys get killed for food? Just because they don’t have colored plumage and don’t sing prettily in towns, it’s alright to kill and eat them? It’s morally wrong and abject to kill only those animals we selfishly like to keep around for our satisfaction, but those that are plain looking and ‘expendable’ can be cooked off for good? If being true to their predator nature makes cats bad according to you, what would it make humans? In full honesty Mr. Morgan we have done far worse since the history of mankind began than any other animal species… so what right have we to dictate on whether they should be allowed to live or not?
    I can only shake my head in disbelief that to this day and time there are still people willing to embark in crusades like these. Honestly folks, get a grip.

    • Paul

      its like a bunch of white noise that lot.

      I would engage you myself but I really don’t know where to start.
      Asking people to think about the damage cats are doing …and consider making their cat their last is a positive, pragmatic and a thoughtful solution to the problem. One we Humans have caused.
      The cat is not the only animal to kill …but the only animal that basically kills native species with impunity. And for the sake of killing.
      you think that’s ok ?

      • Serena

        “Kills native species with impunity”? Goodness gracious, a cat has absolutely no idea what a “native species” even IS – no more than a ferret or a weasel does. They are ordinary carnivores, not killing machines. That’s a misconception.

        Supposing for a moment that New Zealand had stayed as ‘primordial’ as possible – not civilized by the “modern” man and as much an heaven for the “native species” as it was in the beginning. Now, please, answer me this; how comes bird species like the Kiwi were NOT extinguished for hundred of years, although they lived in close proximity of predators like the aforementioned weasels or ferrets? We’re talking of wild animals who are a tad more difficult to apprehend and neuter than a normal domestic or stray cat. And not having any sort of domestication that ties them to the humans, they ought to prowl even greater distances that the average domestic cat. Should they be striken out of New Zealand for the same reason? Please think again.

        The food chain has always been part of nature, and while it might seem a shocking thing to our educated sensibilities, there’s nothing “cruel” about it. It’s simply survival of the fittest and the strongest. In order to preserve as many living species as possible, we humans ought to work on protected areas and reserves rather than on the systematic eradication of predators… for the oh-so-noble reason of increasing tourism. Because in full honesty? For the sake of attracting more visitors – albeit if with the pretense of ecologic and moral high ground – you think that’s ok?

        • Paul

          I think I’m seeing where you’re coming from now. I wanted to answer you but it was hard to know on what basis.

          You are basically arguing , like Bob Kerridge did, that ”cats do what cats do”. So therefore there’s no such thing as cruelty and anything unnatural here? Right.?

          Well, assuming this is the issue with you, I think its actually a really good question and personally was hoping someone would ask it.

          Bob K’s argument is deeply flawed in my opinion. Its a kind of pseudoscience used to fend off criticism he knows is justified. It betrays the fact that the domestic cat we are talking about was ‘introduced’ to NZ , that the cat is, in a sense, not naturally evolved creature at all ,but something created by man by selective breeding…like the Romney sheep or a Banana .
          ‘Bobs world’ has muddled the cruel and unforgiving process of evolution…which it is , I agree…with the cats introduction as some kind of natural event.

          Well….. if the humans’ introduction of the cat is natural….then humans have every ‘natural’ right to predate the cat themselves. Bob’s world gives Humans the ‘right’ to kill cats. So ironic don’t you think
          But the truth is….people just want awareness brought to other of the destruction cats are doing to our defenseless native spp…our bio diversity…before its too late.

          Just one less cat means many other creature will survive.
          You know I’m sure that cats ‘unlike’ any other creature kill for the sake of it. Needlessly so the argument ‘it’s natural’ is flawed there too.
          I’m stretching it here but Bobs world argument means ultimately everything is dead accept cats.
          That is wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/glennalodge sauwah tsang

    Firstly he should neuter himself , rid of all vehicle and return all human development like roads back to the wild. Ban livestock and farming because these human things breed pesticides which kill or harm wildlife and water which they so depend upon.

    Don not forget to include dogs as killers because they too are predators like him and cats. Like all animals, cats and dogs are innocent creations by God. But not man who knows the right and wrong. Besides humans are the law makers, true blue witch hunters and evil doers !

    Lastly, wonder why the ones who cry and bitch against cats are mostly men, white men living in land where they do not belong ( like cats, dogs and livestock)? If he and the so called conservationists (bird nuts who care only about birds only while do include other species to make their obsession mor normal and grand ), get out of your non native land and take your invasive pets, the dogs with you !

    • Paul

      talk about a ‘ racist tirade’ ! phew . That last paragraph sounds like it was written by Adolf himself. Thought he was dead…and his views alongside him?

      This is 2013 Sauwah. At the risk of sounding condescending….we are all here together now .We’ve got to get on… and get people to be responsible for their pets…. simple.
      That debate of yours wont help our precious wildlife from disappearing.

      If you have a cat…look after…don’t let it harm native animals…….they have no defense against it . Just by keeping it in at night…maybe you will save one lizard, one stick insect, one Tui and your world will be richer for it…in that sense at least

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=721900731 Evelyn Ball

    First of all it is time to put the blame where it should be…the human animal. People are irresponsible when it comes to pets. Some are too lazy or ignorant to spay/neuter their pets or actually take care of them. They are not disposable garbage. Also cats who are pets should not be outside other than supervised on a leash. An indoor cat will live a longer healthier life. As for killing birds, they do, also mice…it is their nature. Now what about humans? We are responsible for killing millions of birds with our tall buildings, turbines, pesticides, habitat encroachment. We are supposed to be smart enough to realize that and we should be making an extreme effort to stop this. As usual the four legged animals take the blame and suffer the consequences for all the damage and harm done by the two legged animal. As for not replacing my pet cat? I don’t think so…I am a responsible pet owner whose cats are well cared for, spayed/neutered and do not go outside.

    • Paul

      Human population control is another issue. Best go to David Attenborough for that one.

      ….But we need to look at ourselves now and what we have done and how to reverse it….
      this is one tool in the kit…..teaching each other to be like you…and be responsible with our pet cats…. Great. Thanks Evelyn

  • http://www.facebook.com/dallas.j.murray Dallas J Murray

    What a dead set load of rubbish this concept is. Maybe you should ban cars and other things that are harmful to native wildlife.
    For someone that seems so smart Geoff you really have no idea what so ever.
    More important things going on in our world than this, sounds like you just want your 5 minutes of fame

    • Paul

      No Geoff probably just wants a stiff drink by now.

      You guys are hard work, I have to say! Sometimes I’m not really sure someone like you is on this planet;but simply calling in from outer of space. But ,well, there you are with a street behind so youve at least landed.

      Dallas….”cars and other things” which you so eloquently put ..are indeed harmful to birds …yes…..but no car that I’m aware of ever contributed to mass extinction of species like the cat has.
      Brace yourself ….the cat is a SHOCKER in that regard…promise you…if you were its size and smaller and were going about your business …. as native animals have for millions of years…you would be on their menu. And I’m tempted to say something here , but I wont.

      Most cats menus routinely start each night will a bowl of jelly meat, a drink of milk and lets see whats left in the garden to kill …..for the sake of killing.

      Your here now…youve landed your space craft in NZ…and have seen what it was like… and what’s been taken away .

      What on ‘earth’ is wrong with people suggesting ideas to protect it. To protect NZ’s sacred treasures. Tell me?

      The message is clear….if you care…think about making your cat your last cat. Simple. Some people are going to do that…quite few too and the extra Tui in your suburban garden will be down to them. ….maybe even you. I hope.

  • Xavier Payne

    The scale of New Zealand’s cat infestation is phenomenal and it is no wonder that bird numbers are dropping so rapidly. In the last census, there were 1.45 million households in New Zealand. The most commonly reported statistic for the number of domestic cats is 1.41 million, which equates to one cat for EVERY household. (Forget for the moment about the hundreds of thousands of feral cats in NZ because I feel that domestic cats are the biggest problem) Surveys report that between 48-50% of NZ households own a cat. If that is correct, it means that the average household has two cats, but of course it is more likely that the 48-50% estimate of households having cats is too low. It is more likely that 70-80% of NZ households have cats. My own experience certainly attests to this. Of the 26 households on our cul-de-sac here in Christchurch, only three do not have cats, and some have multiple cats. One of those three is an elderly lady who can’t sleep because of the stampede of fighting cats that run across her roof every night. She confided this in me but said she was terrified to say anything because the neighbours might think she doesn’t like cats. It’s a real source of stress to her but, like me, she knows better than to say anything.

    • Paul

      Wish your neighbor would speak up Xavier. Im sure there are many like her. My parents are plague by cats ‘dirtying ‘ in their vegy garden as they put it…..and killing ‘their’ birds as they see them….but feel powerless to do anything, and are of generation that were brought up not to complain. All my father can do is fire a hose at them. Its very frustrating for them. They should have rights. If they have rats they can poison them. If a dog roams on their property they can follow it and report it to a dog ranger…. with a cats…nothing.

      was really interested to read that. thankyou

      • Xavier Payne

        Thanks, Paul, for your response. We all know that New Zealand and its wildlife are facing a CATastrophe of unprecedented proportions, but when you say that I should tell the elderly lady to speak up and confront her neighbours about their cats that are fighing on her roof all night and causing her to lose sleep, well, I tried again to talk to her but she is afriad that her neighbours will turn against her, which I’m sure they would. Cat owners are in the majority with the full weight of opinion in their favour, so they react with arrogance and brutal self-righteousness when faced with any criticism. It was the same way that smokers reacted to criticism 50 years ago when they were in the majority. The could blow smoke right in your face if you said anything about putting out a cigarette, and they would think you’re crazy for suggesting that smokers be banned from public places. Today, in that same vein, cat owners can blow their cat’s feces, germs, noice right in your face without fear of any consequences, and they react the same way when you mention the wholesale destruction to birdlife and other wildlife caused by their cats. Contributing to their arrogance and confidence is the knowledge that lawmakers (e.g., city counellors) themselves are likely to have cats, plus it would be political suicide in the current cat fetish environment for a lawmaker to suggest serious cat control measures, in the same way that meaningful gun control measures would put an end to a political career in the USA. Anyway, I would love to help the neighbour lady whose health is being negatively affected by the many free-roaming cats that assemble on her roof, causing her awful fright when they explode into full battle. On her behalf, I have already contacted Animal Control who told me they don’t deal with cats. I phoned the Christchurch City Council who said that there are no laws or by-laws to prevent cat owners from giving free reign to their cats at night and that they could do nothing to help. I phoned the Bird and Forest Society but they couldn’t think of any way to help the lady. I phoned the Police and they seemed irritated that I would waste their time. They said to phone Animal Control which I did again but was again told that cats are not subject to any sort of law. I phoned Social Services, saying the lady’s health was suffering because of the cats but they were confused why I was calling on them and said I should contact the SPCA. I phoned the SPCA and they said that their main job is to rescue cats and to place them back in the community and that they do not take action against cats no matter what they are doing to people or wildlife, and their attitude was quite nasty, every time I’ve talked to them in fact about cat-related problems. I spoke to an environmental lawyer who said that their is no course of action for the lady to take and that cats as well as their owners were entirely above the law in New Zealand. Anyway, if you or anyone can point me in the right direction for helping the dear elderly lady, please reply to this. She is a lovely lady and does a huge amount for the community.

        • Paul

          Rather a sad story that one. So frustrating for you to come up against a wall of indifference like that…and for the poor Lady to be tormented in this way.

          Often the cats in our neighbourhood suddenly erupt into fights at night after period of unearthly wining. It really does wake you up doesnt it. A frightful sound.

          Ive spoken to Doc policing rangers and pest destruction boards about similar issues and they all sympathize but say that the same thing too; that there really is no law around cats and their control …however there is also no law that directly protects them either. Most people would agree that no one ‘owns’ a cat as such (cats breeders mostly keep them indoors and in cat aviaries and they certainly would assert ownership by this action). But who really owns those cats on the roof. Some of them are probably roaming Toms….and are feral anyway.

          People all over NZ do take action against suburban cats…I haven’t ……but I know they do. They quietly cage trap them and take them off to someones farm, or river somewhere and shoot them. And good on them….. as long as there is no cruelty and no real sense of where they came from…its basically no different to shooting a rat or possum.

          But most people would feel a bit sneaky to do that where a cats concerned for all the reasons you’ve outlined so well.

          I had a friend who owned a Saluki in Melbourne years ago and he was always finding cat skins in the garden….remnants of cats the dog had caught and eaten. According to Bob Kerridge…”animals do what animals do” so she could borrow someones dog from somewhere and the SPCA would be fine with it munching the cats.
          all the best..hang in there.

          • Xavier Payne

            Thanks Paul for your thoughtful comments. New Zealand certainly is a whacky place when it comes to their bizarre love affair with cats. You make an excellent point that I would like to reiterate to anyone tempted to take action into their hands, which is really a noble thing to do for the sake of NZ wildlife. I have talked to every conceivable agency, including environmental lawyers, the police, the city council, the (crazy and counterproductive) SPCA, Animal Control, various cat protection agencies, etc etc, and NONE of them were able to tell me of any law or rule that protects cats. True, cats and cat owners are absolutely above and beyond the law, but so too is someone who wants to make cats disappear in a humane way. If you are one of the many people who have reached your limit of tolerance for killer cats who also defecate in your garden, keep you up at night, and spread disease, and even crawl in your windows at night and spread their scent and fleas around like they do at our house — well there is nothing whatsoever under the law stopping you from trapping them and disposing of them, and no one can touch you as long as you trap and kill them in a HUMANE way. There are some excellent YouTube videos showing the best ways to catch cats with a trap. You need to watch these to have success. I wish that cat traps were not so expensive. Gareth, a good project would be to order a couple thousand cheap cat traps from China and make them available to us at cost (just a thought). Here in Christchurch, the city council will actually bring a cat trap to your house for you to use for a couple weeks or so BUT when you phone them you must say that your cat problems are being caused by FERAL cats. In all likelihood there is some truth to that, so it wouldn’t be an entire lie, but tell them that to make sure you can get the use of a trap, and keep insisting that you need a trap or the city council will try to brush you off, and don’t listen to them if they tell you not to trap domestic cats. But again, watch YouTube cat trapping videos because cats can be tricky to catch unless you know what you’re doing.

          • Paul

            Good ideas there Xavier,

            You may be able ,…one day hopefully…to find a friendly pest destruction board person to provide a cage trap for the Lady. And then take the cats away for her. They deal with them all the time….whilst they may not admit it immediately because of the social stigma. Ive spoken to one guy in such a job….I wont mention any names….who has terminated hundreds of cats in his career….about 250 I think he said…yet they still keep coming. He and other people like him are a heroes in my mind…because the problem would be so much worse if it wasn’t for what they’ve done for the environment.

            I go out with friends occasionally to shoot various predators and possums and rabbits and hares.. to protect wetlands for native ducks and when ever we see a cat ….its top priority to kill the thing….as everyone understands in an unspoken way how dangerous they are.

            All the shooters I’m speaking of are driven not by cruelty or enjoyment of killing (as many of the ill-informed contributors here seem to imply)…but by dedication to protecting our wonderful native species from oblivion.

  • Allie

    If we are to try and rid the country of cats why not all domestic animals such as dogs, wasn’t there at one stage in the New Zealand Herald about dogs killing 60 of our Kiwis?? Saying cats are the problem is a bit poor really. I am not saying cats haven’t killed the native birds but they aren’t the only ones out there. Humans have destroyed these birds natural habitats by developing those areas for commercial use etc. I feel that those who want to rid cats from New Zealand are obviously cat haters

    • Paul

      Dogs kill kiwi in the far north because they get into the forest and go on rampage. Its terribly sad . If anyone catches the dog.. they ,hopefully, maybe can find out where it came from and prosecute the owner at least for letting the dog roam.
      You can’t do that with cats when they’re roaming away from their suburban garden every night. They have free rein ….hunt and kill without controls put upon them. They are effectively given carte blanche by SPCA and society to do that .
      By the way ….In terms of impact on NZ bird extinctions dogs rank 7th largest contributor. Cats however are 3rd most serious (after humans and pacific rats)…..’believe it or not’ Ripley would say.

      the site tells it like it is Allie….and managed to get you to come here….. So just here the message at least…When your cats dies …think about making it your last and thereby help improve the environment for NZ’s native animals ….who in fact have no one but you to help them survive this .

  • ace5762

    Your argument for this movement bewilders me. If you are so intent on preventing ecological damage, there’s a far worse species that you should consider exterminating first. You need only look into a mirror to know which species I’m talking about.

    • Paul

      A ‘cat lover’ by any chance?. The response of your lobby group is becoming so predictable. How can any body expect an answer from the sites providers if you speak like that?
      If you read the site and understood the issues better I’m sure you wouldn’t be like this.
      Bringing awareness that Cats are unregulated ,uncontrolled highly efficient predators upon NZ native species…..hardly ranks as something unworthy.
      Looking in mirrors probably just makes them think “why do I bother”.
      I would actually try and explain the issues to you myself but I’m not totally sure you’re worth it.
      Come back to me if you would like to debate matters in a civilized way.
      I’ll be here.

      • ace5762

        Ah, excellent.
        While cats in NZ might be disastrous, I’m sure you can agree that we as a species aren’t one to decry another as being ‘unregulated, uncontrolled, highly efficient predators’ on native species.
        But I can sympathize with your cause, it is just unfortunate for you that the animal you are in particular concerned about is one the general populous is tad fond with. And I appreciate that euthanasia is not on your list on preventative methods. Many news sources are quick to twist that piece of information.
        Cats are very bad news for a bird population- and a particular link to this site mentioned that ‘Nearly half of the new Zealand population own a cat’, which to my eyes makes your cause incredibly admirable. Because you’re going to have to put up with idiots like me every step of the way, unable to overlook that their household pet might be a cute and fond friend, is still every bit as deadly a predator to the bird population.
        I can appreciate your goals and your efforts are wholesome- and your sheer bravery in upholding this movement is incredible in the face of the adversity you are going to face for it. Even if I don’t quite agree with your point of view, I wish you luck in your endeavour. Someone should.

        • Paul

          at last …a ‘cat lover’ who has stood up for himself with a good argument. I mean this sincerely…I take my hat off to you for a reasonable response. Most people just seem ‘hate and run’.

          A lot of what you say is right Ace. Its an uphill battle…but pro website people are just as caring as you . We’ve all seen the wholesale destruction cats have done to the environment. Going for walk in most forests and you’ll hear little but the wind wiping through the trees. That’s my experience. In Capt.Cooks journals you read how they were deafened by the choruses of Bellbirds in Queen Charlotte sound. Wow.

          The concept here is imagining a country where uncontrolled cats were phased out….asking …pleading to people to consider making their cat there last for the sake of the environment. Its a good concept..but one hard to achieve. I think youv’e admitted that. Cheers mate

    • Martin Nicholls

      And, again, another one who hides behind a pseudonym. Very gutless of you.

  • sam

    you are messed up in the head cats are cats you fools!!!!!!!!! go fight a really fight…..

    • Paul

      What???????

      I know …………your name is really Bob Kerridge isn’t it?. Admit it.

  • Xavier Payne

    Geoff, here’s a link to a summary of a Journal of Ornithology research study showing that, in areas of high cat populations, only 20% of fledgling birds will survive, while 50% will survive in areas with lower cat concentrations. I haven’t yet been able to find the reference for that other large scale study from the USA showing that, in high cat areas, only around 10% of young birds will survive, while only 55% will survive in high cat concentration areas. But both studies have roughly similar results. Here in New Zealand, where we have by far the highest rate of cat ownership in the world (why in god’s name is that??!!), we can only imagine how hard it is for birdlife to survive. Yet as a people we seem happy to turn our backs on our native creatures.
    Geoff and Gareth, keep up the wonderful work. It takes enormous courage to speak the truth about cats here in NZ. Judging by most of their comments, cat owners are as vicous and mindlessly sadistic as their cats. If the vision of Catstogo is ever realised, it will go down as one of the greatest success stories in New Zealand’s natural history. Here’s the link:

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/roaming-cats-kill-billion-birds-year-american-bird/story?id=13194701

  • Xavier Payne

    Previously I extrapolated from the meticulously maintained Lower Hutt cat killing records featured on Campbell Live TV3 and calculated that, annually, cats kill around 93 million of our birds each year. But someone pointed out that I underestimated when I multiplied 1.41 million cats by 1000 rather than the 1048 cats that the cat killed over its lifetime. If the full 1048 birds is factored in, then it comes to around 96 million birds that cats kill each year in New Zealand, far more than the usual estimates of 28-30 million. Someone else pointed out that I failed to include the birds killed by the vast number of feral cats here in New Zealand. I wanted to keep the focus on domestic cats since feral cats are often used by cat owners to deflect attention away from the main problem which is ridiculous number of domestic cats in New Zealand. I researched feral cat killing estimates which is a higher again since they kill BOTH for food and sadistic pleasure. When all numbers are added together, we come up with approximately 130 million birds that are killed annually in New Zealand. Even if we cut that number in half, this is a source of shame for us as New Zealanders. I took my 30 minute morning walk this morning and made a note of how many cats I came across here in Christchurch — 47 cats in half an hour, believe it or not. Very few birds. Not long ago one could see glorious little fantails doing their miraculous acrobatics around our “Garden City” (let’s rename that to Cat City). They are gone!! And where have all the NZ grey warblers gone?! Same story with them. I rarely see song thrushes any more. Good grief, isn’t it time we at least started by bringing in cat registration and a nightime cat curfew? Many places around the world are way ahead of us in trying to protect the environment and its struggling creatures from cats. As usual, we are way behind the curve.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, I come from Christchurch too and remember as a child not only fantails, grey warblers and the usual waxeyes, but bellbirds at my Speydon home as well. I seem to recall even back then that rat numbers were very high, but it has been cat numbers that have gone through the roof. Go figure!
      But there is also another factor that must be considered. Urbanisation has intensified and housing densities have climbed, making significant trees a thing of the past in residential properties. Add to this the drainage of swamps and wetlands (like Linwood Park), and the channeling and culverting of streams, removal of most indigenous vegetation (even when strictly limited even when I was a child), then opportunities for native birds to migrate to follow food sources must lessen.
      The light at the end of the tunnel has been the CCC’s streamside restoration plantings using strictly locally indigenous species (places like Shirley Stream). This might mean a reversal of the declining habitat trend.
      What has been happening post-quake I have no idea. I don’t know whether the CCC is carrying on with the revegetation initiative or whether it has stopped under pressure from Brownlee and his cronies because such projects are not “core business” for the CCC. However, I have noted on the news that a number of abandoned quake-damaged properties are showing a significant regeneration of native species. How this has happend I don’t know or even whether it is from locally indigenous sources. I imagine not.

      • Xavier Payne

        Martin, yes, thanks for reminding me that the wonderful Bell Bird has also disappeared, along with many other native birds, from Christchurch as a result of the out-of-control cat infestation here. But speaking of Bell Birds, you would be familiar with Riccarton Bush here in Christchurch, located just off Riccarton Road. For years, there were almost no Bell Birds or any other type of native bird there (except a small number of fantails and the odd wood pigeon), primarily because of cats that could enter the Bush as they like. But a few years ago, they had the vision to cat-proof and pest-proof the entire Bush with a state-of-the-art fence, and today one can hear a virtual symphony of Bell Birds when you walk through Riccarton Bush, and other native birds are beginning to return as well. It is absolutely wonderful and it shows that, by controlling cats, we could bring back native birds to our city, which would be a joy for everyone.

        • Martin Nicholls

          Thanks for that Xavier. Yes, I know Riccarton Bush well and it’s an area I used to explore as a kid. When I knew it, it was managed as a parkland with mown grass! Did wonders for the buttressed root systems of the kahikatea trees, I don’t think. However, I believe all this has been stopped and the oak shelter belt removed.
          That it has been predator-proofed is such good news and it only goes to show what can happen if mammalian predators are excluded. I presume rats, hedgehogs and mustelids would be excluded also (but I have never ever seen a stoat or weasel in urban Christchurch. Are they present there?).
          It is too easy to blame cats for everything, but their role in controlling rodents is also grossly overrated. From what I remember, there is a large state housing block not far from the reserve. I imagine a number of tenants would have cats that have not been desexed, as is the case here, because (a) it is expensive and (b) they can’t be bothered.
          You wouldn’t happen to know how big Riccarton Bush is do you? I imagine it is quite small and, if so, that native birds are returning is doubly encouraging and suggests even quite small areas can be comprehensively protected with great results.

  • J Leach

    It might be wise and more effective to push for regulation on the right-collaring of cats alongside this campaign.

    I am an ardent environmentalist and understand this issue well. But as a cat lover as well, I can assure that this campaign will only be considered extreme and met with antagonistic and equally extreme opinions to the opposite degree,

    Practically speaking, is there not some kind of technology such as collars that emit ultrasound that can be introduced and made compulsory over time?

    Even a push for such a change will be met with voluntary cooperation from a greater number of people.

    Congratulations, however, to Mr Morgan for raising awareness on an issue that really should touch us all.

    J.Leach

    • Martin Nicholls

      Thank you. It is good to have a positive and balanced approach to this issue. I love cats too, but am not immune to recognising what destruction to our wildlife they can cause. I’m not sure if collars would work because too many cats are adept at deliberately snagging them on branches and pulling them off.
      What is heartening, however, is that cat microchipping is becoming more in vogue and it is probable that legislation will eventually catch up and make it compulsory.
      If all domestic cats could only be obtained once microchipped and desexed this will help in the battle against problems with new feral populations as unwanted kittens get dumped. If people who do this knew how cruel they are being they may think twice. My hope is that every cat is a wanted cat and strictly limited in number, as they are in Australia. Eventually places like Zealandia, Bushy Park and Ark in the Park will greatly increase in number and bring our unique wildlfife closer to the hearts and minds of more and more New Zealanders. This will change things once people begin to wish and dream that they could have such uniquely New Zealand experiences in their own gardens. This might be a start of something new and exciting and it would be easier, then, for them to make some sacrifices to achieve it – cat-free zones (at least free of roaming cats) and self-setting traps in the control of possums, rats and mustelids becoming widely used in urban areas. At the moment self-setting traps cannot be installed in urban areas because cat owners would complain and the SPCA would take legal action under the Animal Health Act against property owners who use them. Companion animals have special protection, even if, like cats, they are unregistered and are free to wander, sometimes many kilometres from home.

  • J Leach

    By the way, may I add to the body count as inflicted by the feline master hunters from, shall we say, less than hearsay evidence: :<

    Lizard count per day (as brought back to the house). 6-8 on a good day. 2-3 on a poor one.

    P.S. for those inclined to think of lizards as just another "yuckie", our lizards are as unique and of great scientific interest in the world as are our birds.

    Cheers

    • Martin Nicholls

      Hear hear. Good on you! Our lizards certainly are unique and special – all our endemic species are live-bearers, very rare in the world. Cats extract a huge toll on them, but it IS possible to create reptile-friendly habitat (such as rubble or stone walls and dense divaricating shrubs) for them that are effective barriers against cats and rats and can allow them safe escape routes. They don’t work every time but they do enough good to save many from predation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

    In such case humans should be castrated too because humans are the one species that has the most impact all over the world, including New Zealand. How are you planning to get through with that campaign? Surely some kind of lame PR-trick. I hope.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

    In such case humans should be castrated too because humans are the one species that has the most impact all over the world, including New Zealand. How are you planning to get through with that campaign? Surely some kind of lame PR-trick. I hope.

    • Paul

      Castrating humans will have no impact, what so ever ,on the declining biodiversity of NZ fauna.
      Any practical ideas to help said creatures would be much appreciated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

    Funny how my comment seem to get deleted by itself… Anyway I will try a third time.

    “In such case humans should be castrated too because humans are the one species that has the most impact all over the world, including New Zealand. How are you planning to get through with that campaign? Surely some kind of lame PR-trick. I hope.”

    • Martin Nicholls

      It wasn’t offensive but it was stupid and negative – the balme game again. Anyway, I see it has been posted again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

    Just want to tell you all the site deletes comments they don’t like. Tried to post my comment 5+ times but it gets deleted all the time.

    • Martin Nicholls

      It was probably offensive and simply didn’t advance any argument one way ot the other.

    • Paul

      As Martin said…..Bet this comment of yours doesn’t get deleted.

  • Anneke Andries

    too stupid for words, but this will do for your ‘poll’ : get rid of human kind, because they destroy Wildlife at a truly alarming rate…And are sadistical, cruel also. Can’t say that about animals, cats, can you?!

    • Paul

      You can ‘definitely’ say that about cats. They are cruel, tormentors of their prey. They kill for the sake of it. Few animals on earth do that. They think it’s fine I guess(‘natural’)….but we created them, introduced them and unleashed them on the unsuspecting native wildlife, ….animals who have no defense against such a formidable predators… so we should be responsible for controlling them and get rid of them.
      “get rid of human kind”…well .. Heinrich Himmler tried that…wasn’t a good idea was it?

      • Anneke Andries

        WHY ARE MY FOLLOW UP REPLIES DELETED??????????

        • Paul

          if they are deleted …why am I reading your response Anneke.
          Check your language maybe. Is it relevant. I don’t know. I’m sure you are not being treated unfairly.

  • Martin Nicholls

    Hi all. I just had a marvellous tow nights in Bushy Park with family and friends. For those who don’t know it, it is a small 86 ha reserve and sanctuary near Whanganui. It is enclosed by an Xcluder fence and is now home to translocated birds such as tieke and robin. Not only are both thriving but robins have learnt to associate food with people – not people feeding them as such but stirring up the leaf litter so robins can obtain invertebrates more easily.

    These birds were an absolute delight and I had two girls exploring with me at one time, both captivated by these birds and watching them for ages. At one stage there were six birds together and behaving more like a flock of social whiteheads than highly territorial and antisocial robins. Two of them landed on my foot and one came up so close to one of the girls she could almost touch it. Robins in Bushy Park are thriving and it would have to be one of the best places to see them and study their behaviour. Some have even set up residence near the bunkhouse and have been known to go inside to look for food scraps.

    The thing that struck me was that both girls wanted to have some of these birds as pets, clearly impossible for a number of reasons, not least that the girls are city girls and living among cats, dogs and a wide variety of pest mammals, but also because current laws do not allow us to keep New Zealand native birds as pets. However, it was serious food for thought for me. Being eleven and twelve years old, the girls represented the next generation of those entrusted with the care of our native plants and animals, but, sadly, only a very, very few of this generation would be privileged enough to enjoy close personal contact with them. And I realise how much has been lost to them compared with what I enjoyed as a child and this makes me very sad.

    The point to be made is that Bushy Park is an 86 ha reserve and small enough to be replicated in many urban parks and reserves, even some wealthier residential and historic properties. Although only two permanent translocations of threatened and declining species have been made into Bushy Park, the reserve is capable of supporting kokako (I have been told up to five pairs), whitehead and rifleman. However, for this 86 ha, the predator-proof fence cost $1.6 million, plus an on-going maintenance cost and high-input human monitoring efforts. This is the cost of doing business for these kinds of reserves.
    This being said, if enough people (and especially neighbours to these reserves) took an active interest in mammalian predator control and looked at how they managed cat ownership especially then things might be different. I confirmed again during my last visit that robin prefer to forage on the forest floor in the evenings and early in the morning, at sunrise. This is when cats are most often on patrol so the little birds are especially vulnerable and may be why they are now absent from nearly all urban areas and anywhere within migratory range of cats.
    I have had comments like “Don’t blame cats; humans are more destructive and cruel” or “We introduced them”. At face value, this is fair enough, but such blaming and negativity doesn’t actually advance the argument or get us anywhere. Yes, we started the problem, but humans can be wise enough to be part of the solution as well and may be able to go some way to reversing the trends towards extinction in many species. Once introduced, the predators we have brought with us are unable to curb their own instincts or show the wisdom we expect in ourselves. We have to be their managers and/or cullers if we are serious about our “clean-green” image and the pride most of us have in our natural areas and wish to promote to visitors.
    I have also been lambasted for my use of the word “anthropocentric” and that those of us promoting a cat-free New Zealand for the tourism and “feel-good” potential of our wildlife are putting human values and sentiment into the equation. Of course we do! It is pointless trying to argue any other way because, in order to advance the cause of biodiversity protection and restoration, we have to make value judgements and we do it because we gain some benefit from doing this kind of thing, be it pride of the success we achieve, the enjoying recovery of certain species (like at Bushy Park), and in actually doing something for what makes New Zealand truly special and unique.
    And to that person who said, quote: “…And [humans] are sadistical, cruel also. Can’t say that about animals, cats, can you?!” had she ever seen how well-fed domestic cats hunt and torture their prey, be they birds, rats or mice? I have had to remove such prey from cats and kill or release them (if they are birds) before they die of exhaustion or plain terror. Most well-fed moggies will torture their prey to death then wander off bored, their prey uneaten. It is their instinct to hunt and enough of them do so to put our wildlife in an impossible position. I’m sure most of you have seen this at one time or another. Stoats and ferrets will also kill indescriminately, leaving their dead prey behind, and some of us will remember the German shepherd dog in the Waitangi Forest. It killed and left 500 kiwi to rot over a 2 week killing spree before it was caught. It was by the kiwi bodies left that we knew the true carnage it caused.
    It is pointless to play the blame game. Let’s just get on with trying to achieve some kind of successful management and recovery of our declining natural biodiversity and, if it takes legislation to do so, make sure uncooperative and irresponsible pet owners are finally held to proper account. From what I have witnessed over the last two weeks especially, cat owners are those that most need to have a wakeup call, Bob Kerridge and his SPCA ilk especially!

    • Paul

      Enjoyed reading this. Thanks for posting it Martin. You said it all very well ,and I totally agree. Hope others read it. Some of the cat lobby may not be able to take it in…..as their attitude and hateful speech seems to be all they have in their sad little lives. But we live in hope…a few Ive noticed, have come round to listen to reason.

      Will definitely make the trip to Bushy Park one day too. Sounds amazing.

      The introduction of the cat was big player in the destruction of the Piopio. They were very special birds…descended/related to Bower birds. They would have been so relaxed with people in Bushy Park. Inspirational to the girls as well. But they are gone forever!.Yet ,Bob Kerridge, in his rather dubious wisdom in my opinion ,would just say…oh well that’s ok….. cats are the victors over Piopio because nature intended it that way. Arrrrrrgh :(

      • Martin Nicholls

        Yes. I personally feel very sad at the loss of piopio (for those not familiar with its Maori name it is native thrush – but, as you rightly pointed out it is not a thrush at all). Some think it is related to the toothbill catbird (a kind of bower bird as you said), but others put it in the Australasian whistler family which includes mohoua, whitehead and brown creeper. Maybe DNA analysis of intact flesh fragments from dried museum skins might finally reveal some answers.
        It was officially declared extinct in 1901 (last seen near Taumarunui), but I believe I had personally seen a pair on Rua’s Track in Te Urewera National Park in 1986. Its contact call resembled its name ‘piopio’ and they had strikingly long tails with burnt orange outer tail feathers, almost the colour of the underwing parts of kaka and kea. What struck me about them was the colour of the upper body – not dull like the stuffed museum exhibits, but a semi-iridescent greeny bronze/brown like kaka or shining cuckoo. They were quite large, about the same size of a blackbird, but rather stockier and with heavy set brown bills and yellowish eyes. They had a dirty grey/white throat patch merging to the brownish base colour towards the belly. Sadly, I never heard its song, but I’ve been told it was amazingly beautiful and loud.
        At the stage I saw them, they were unconcerned about me, letting me observe them closely and for quite some time, but still wouldn’t let me come too close. They were feeding on a variety of small berries, mostly Coprosma, in a semi-open area so their surroundings were bright enough for me to discern their colour patterns.
        I knew what I saw and thrilled beyond belief to have seen two ‘extinct’ birds alive and well – at least at that time. But I was gutted that I didn’t have a camera because this would have provided all the proof the Department if Lands and Survey would have needed to have made a full scale field investigation. Alas, I never found them again, no matter how many searches I made. I believe they have now gone forever.
        However, ten years later I visited Te Urewera (by that stage under DoC) and mentioned these birds. The ranger at the time said that there had been a number of recent reports of birds fitting similar descriptions, and respected and credible enough accounts for DoC to take them very seriously and develop an intensive baiting and trapping programme in the area, but none were ever found, to my knowledge.
        These are the sorts of issues and experiences that more people need to have. It might turn some people, otherwise set in their ways along a pro-mammalian path, towards better care of what is uniquely (almost completely non-mammalian) ours. I feel very privileged, but at the same time very sad knowing what what we have lost and cannot share with our children.
        I thought I’d share this experience to let others know why I might be described as obsessive about saving what is left of our natural heritage.

        • Paul

          sort of makes one speechless really. You were either hallucinating, strayed into a prehistory parallel world or you saw N.I. Piopio.
          Somehow I don’t think the first two apply ..which only leaves a sad tale…because by now a cat or rat has got to them…or their descendants.

          The shiny appearance is interesting. A lot of NZ birds are dull by comparison to their Australian ancestors ..possibly because they’ve evolved in darker forested world and colour is less useful….but shininess, slightly reflective plumage might be more useful in communicating. Ive seen purplish hues on many diff species at times.
          (By the way…there was a whole piopio put in formalin a century ago, so who knows it might even be cloned one day. But at least they will get the DNA) .

          Ohh..and that reminds me…in the bush with my dog close to the Tararuas near Nireaha once and Hobo was trained to hunt out stoats and possums etc and kill them automatically but when ever he found a cat he would get my attention ,and ask(dog sign language) if he could kill it. He was trained to do that because of course you cant have him thinking its ok in an urban situation.
          But when ever he looked up at me the way he did…asking the question…and you would see a cat stealthily creeping away in the forest…it was so ominous for the birds and lizards that lived there.

          • Martin Nicholls

            Yes, I was wondering at the time myself whether I was seeing things! When I said ‘shiny’ I really meant slightly iridescent in the manner of kaka or tui. They weren’t that conspicuous except where the sun hit them.
            Yes, it’s depressing and I see the same thing happening with robin, rifleman, weka and kea.

          • Paul

            Must have been the structure the feathers and how it reflected light. I think a Tui isn’t really pigmented in a sense but colourful because of the way the feathers reflect light. Piopio have clear pattern demarcations etc …so what you saw may have been something else we have’nt noticed. Interesting.

          • Martin Nicholls

            Yes, I think you’re right, Paul. Tui feathers display iridescence, in the manner of many feathers of other species. Out of the sunlight tui seem black. The piopio I “saw” seemed brown and quite dull out of the sun, except on the throat to its underside which was a dirty white/grey colour. The most striking feature I noticed was the length and majesty of its tail and the striking brick red/orange of its outer tail feathers. I have not come across this in any other bird, native or introduced.

          • Paul

            Ive examined many Piopio at Tepapa’s Tory street facility and the tail has the most striking colour. you’re certainly describing the N.I spp. The S.I spp is probably the one that gave them a sense of a thrush…. with it’s Speckled breast.

  • Xavier Payne

    The current survey on Catstogo shows that there is indeed a significant minority of cat owners who feel that cat ownership comes with some responsibility to protect wildlife from their cat’s predatation. I’m providing a link here to a website of the Humane Society of the United States that is encouraging cat owners, not only for the safety of wildlife but for the cat’s safety as well, to keep their cats INSIDE. They point out that, contrary to common perception, cats have no inherent need to roam free and that there are endless indoor activities that can satisfy their predatory tendencies and keep them happy and stimulated. Indoor cats live twice as long as free-roaming cats, which is not surprising giving all the dangers, risks, and diseases that confront free-roaming cats on a daily basis. Here is the link. There are also numerous other websites that have similar tips and that attempt to educate cat owners that their cats, and our wildlife, are far better off with cats INSIDE.
    http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/cat_happy_indoors.html

  • Xavier Payne

    Earlier I posted a link for a website from the Human Society of the United States encouraging cat owners to keep their cats INSIDE at all times, while offering many useful tips on how to keep inside cats happy, contented, and safe. For many cat owners who feel entitled to turn their cats loose on the environment to kill as they like and as much as they like, well, let me at least make a tiny little suggestion. Research shows that, while cats will kill at any time of day or night, they are especially eager and energised to kill the first thing in the morning. If your cat is not already outside in the early morning, it seems that the least you could do would be to hold off letting it outside till 8am, or better yet 9am if that is possible. If your cat comes and goes through a cat door, well, I guess there’s nothing you can do other than consider controling the opening times of the cat door. I just spoke to a lady while out for my walk this morning and she said that she saw her neighbour’s cat jump onto a fence early this morning and grab TWO hedge sparrows at the same time. Some cats are incredibly athletic and stupendously adept at killing, even several birds in one morning.

  • Xavier Payne

    Geoff, a few people have been wondering if their comments get automatically deleted, and I wondered that myself. I suspect that all comments get posted, but I think there is a problem with the way this website lists the comments. Because of the Like/Dislike feature, it seems that the silly adolescent semi-humourous comments (e.g., “I’m a cat and I kill birds because they are crunchy…) ones and comments that are nasty and appealing to hostile cat owners are all sent to the top as they receive “Like” votes. And they stay at the top. All the most thoughtful and reasonable comments, including virtually all by those opposed to cat predation, go straight to the bottom or somewhere far down the list because they get hardly any “Likes” and usually several “Dislikes”. Anyone interested in reading comments would get a much better picture of things if each comment went to the top and stayed there until the next comment came along, if that makes any sense. Is there any way to disable the Like/Dislike feature?

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Hi Xavier,

      Comments and questions which are being deleted here are either hateful, have bad language, add no value to the conversations or have been answered several times below.

      Unfortunately the like system can not be removed but if you have a look on the discussion tab under where you write a comment you can change the ordering from most liked to newest or oldest.

  • romulus

    For an economist, you do a poor job of weighing costs and benefits. What about the pleasure cats give their owners? Is the domestic moggy really a threat to birdlife? Where is your data? Contrast this with feral cats and other causes of bird death.

    • Paul

      I’m sure he was quite aware of the costs and benefits of this issue. The benefit of eradicating cats from NZ would be at the very least and incredible achievement for the native species that are under siege…that have been here for millions of years and have evolved no defenses against such a proficient wanton killer as the domestic cat …and you know it. Bringing to peoples attention that we should put control over cats like we do over dogs for example is an honorable thing to do for anyone and well over due. Most cat owners…going on what Ive seen on this website …are unwilling to face any kind of responsibility for what their pet cat does. They should.

      • romulus

        Spare me the emotive nonsense. Where’s your data that that shows that domestic cats are a major threat to NZ bird wildlife compared to other threats to NZ native wildlife? You don’t have any, do you – neither does Gareth or surely he would have presented it. This site is long on childish anti-cat rhetoric and very short on facts.

        • Martin Nicholls

          The Department of Conservation has quite a bit of data on the topic. The Wildlife Service also has a short and sad record of what feral cats had done to the remaining kakapo population on Stewart Island and DoC routinely check stomach contents of cats that have been caught in traps and killed. On Great Barrier Island one black cat had 47 skinks in its stomach, 10 of which were the endangered chevron skink, endemic to the island and other places in the Hauraki Gulf. This was one cat and one day’s killing. No wonder our wildlife is disappearing fast. This request for data is usually among those who do not like to accept the inconvenient truth about what cats can do and what it might mean for them if enough people finally began to listen.
          Oh, by the way, the method of killing is the means of identifying which predator has been responsible for the killing and cats (like mustelids and dogs) have a proclivity to killing beyond the need to survive. Maybe it’s to hone their skills, but they leave a lot of mostly uneaten bodies as they go. This usually forms the forensic case against them.
          It is true that many cats eat rodents in preference, but enough prefer to prey on birds and reptiles to do enormous damage to their indigenous populations.

      • romulus

        Why are my replies being deleted? They do not contain abuse. Once again, please present your data that shows domestic cats are the greatest threat to native wildlife vs other causes. This site appears long on rhetoric and short on facts.

    • Martin Nicholls

      The problem is, because cats are not legally required to be registered, microchipped and desexed before being handed over to new owners, it is too easy to get a lovely little kitten as a free present and, therefore, the new owners are not given the incentive to take special care of it. Many of these kittens go to poor and bad homes where they are not desexed (because of the cost or because owners can’t be bothered) and the toms are free to roam, have sex, spray and fight, and the females can produce litter after litter. The owners then either drown them (very cruel), or dump weaned kittens in the bush because they haven’t got the heart to put them down or because the children put such emotional pressure on their parents. Dumped kittens mostly either die of starvation or a few survive to become efficient feral killers.
      Most people might look after their kittens and have them desexed, but it takes only a few families who don’t care or can’t afford the operations, and who dump kittens into protected areas, to lead to a huge amount of ecological damage. The few cat survivors are prolific breeders and have become selected as efficient hunters and killers of wildlife. These cause wildlife and pest managers to pull their hair out.
      This is the issue and it is why action is needed and now: compulsory microchipping to identify cat owners, compulsory vaccinations, and, above all, compulsory desexing before a prospective owner even sees the cat he/she wishes to purchase. This won’t get rid of the feral cat problem, but it should stop it spreading to new urban areas, especially those next to protected natural areas. All this cost should be on the cat owner, not the local authority, which should be able to recover all costs of policing, cat catching, finding owners and having unwanted cats euthanased. These charges should be built into the costs of cat registration. It would make a number of people think twice about the casual nature of having a cat and would mean those who then make the serious commitment to having a cat become responsible pet owners.

  • Comikris

    A better thing to do for the country would focus on cigarettes, trash, and car fuels. Getting rid of an animal species is just silly. Cats are here to stay.

    • Paul

      Its not getting rid of an animal species Comikris! Cats were selectively bred by Humans, for human purposes anyway. No Darwinian evolution for them to endure. No it’s …”hello cat…we’ve made you…now enjoy a night of killing and torturing and we’ll be here in the morning with tin of Jellymeat” That’s not fair on our precious native animals surely?. Time to shift the odds a little in favour of those who’ve been here a few million years longer. Don’t you think?

      • Comikris

        Are you serious? We all live on the same planet. And what I meant was getting rid of an animals species from a land, its not their fault they are here.

        It’s stupid kicking them out. Its like kicking white people out because maoris were here first. Do you find that reasonable? No. Cats can be very lovable creatures, its the humans who are being cruel and unreasonable. A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER SPECIES INSTINCTS ARE TO KILL. FOR FOOD. FOR SURVIVAL. Its not fair? Ever heard of lifes not fair? Us humans take resources from the land, cut trees down (WHICH CAN BE HOME TO BIRDS*********************) For our own selfish use. Do you support that? You make them out to be evil evil evil animals, when they are not. Birds kill. Yes, shocking right? We breed animals like chickens just to kill them. We should exile all meat that is sold in supermarkets too right?

        • Paul

          I really think you wish to understand this issue. And I’m going to try and explain how it is for me and others like me. But its hard because I feel like I’m stating the obvious most of time and no ones listening. So please forgive me if I come across to strong at times.

          First of all….I agree we humans have brought this problem upon ourselves…so you, and I are on common ground there at least.
          But we humans ,also have to try and fix it. You must agree with that?
          I once saw a list of all the animals Europeans tried to establish in NZ…..many of which didn’t last fortunately…its really an eye opener because it’s so wrong when we look at it in the context of how we understand environmental protection in 2013.

          The cat is here by no fault of its own. It kills by no fault of its own. It exists because of human cat breeders …and by no fault of its own. YES to all 3. But that does’nt mean we should then say…”do what you like…you’re here now cat…wipe out native animals to your hearts content” as Bob Kerridge would express.
          Sometimes people have to do things that are unpalatable. It sucks totally I know. But its about the bigger picture.
          No one wants cruelty done to cats. No one wants to take cats off people. They are just asking for greater responsibility and that you consider not replacing the animal/

          • Comikris

            Fix it? YES! Totally! Get rid of it? No! No way! The bigger picture I have been raised to accept people for who they are – the same should be applied to cats. No one gives them the right to go kill things. But birds killing things too, and I definetly realise where you are coming from, but like us humans coming over challenges, brids need to aswell. We can help them, but getting rid of cats is not the answer, we can do things to help the situation but getting rid of a species to protect another is unfair. New Zealand is a great, great place with many animals that live together. I just honestly do not think removing cats from here is a step in the right direction.

          • Paul

            fair enough. I cant argue with that, other than to say you recognize the problem.
            We both respect cats as creatures it seems. Only you want them to stay here and me not.
            I would love a cat free NZ….but I do also think its just a pipe dream right now. However ‘my generation’ have seen massive changes in peoples attitudes over time and I bet one day you may think differently too.

          • Comikris

            Paul, I respect what you are saying and all, and I think you are wrong. I love all animals, birds are amazing, I love riding round on my bike in the forests and seeing them fly around, but I also love seeing my cat and other cats around the neighborhood and their little faces light up, and I don’t know, animals are a sensitive subject to all and as the stats show they are amoung the most popular pets in NZ, maybe we could do something about the feral ones, just not the home ones. That is a much more realistic thing to do.

          • Comikris

            adding some stuff on… like chiping them, giving them collars with bells to alert wildlife, they would eventually learn that that sound poses danger. My cat has been nudered (which is a must for house cats) not too sure about chipped, but i remember when our kitten died it was devastating. I think removing cats from nz would have a similar effect.

          • Paul

            I was trying to reply to you elsewhere but lost the place.
            talking about ”Removing cats from NZ”…more than anything.. has caused people to realize its an important issue…sit up and take notice.
            The concept…if it happens or not…is very positive…because it says simply maybe don’t replace the cat…it doesn’t say destroy them.

            I could imagine a NZ in fifty ,a hundred years time where people have accepted the idea as normal and sensible because children have grown up with it. So by then everyone is happy.
            Imagine telling people just 50 years ago that they must stop smoking in a picture theater. They’d laugh out loud. But they HAVE stopped and everyone has benefited.

          • Comikris

            Lets keep this to the other post I just replied to, I’m getting lost too :P

          • Martin Nicholls

            I think so too, Paul. I don’t think it is possible for some people to understand the greater ecological picture and how utterly unique our indigenous plants and animals are. They cannot understand that this uniqueness comes from an 85my isolation from other land masses and this is before terrestrial placental and marsupial evolved to potentially colonise the precursor to modern New Zealand that was known as Zealandia. The only surviving fragments that remain of this once great landmass are New Zealand and New Caledonia. The indigenous fauna of both countries is thus highly vulnerable to mammalian predation and in neither place is there much time to save what is left. Also, the longer we leave it before taking serious action, the greater and more expensive the uphill battle we have as time passes (that is, if we care enough to try to save what is left). It does my head in that people simply can’t get this or don’t care – the Bob Kerridges of this world. And it makes me damn angry, I tell you!
            The only real trouble I have with the “cats’ right to live” argument I have (and I accept what they say on the face of it) is that the presence of cats and other introduced predators denies me and other lovers of our native wildlife the right to enjoy and experience it in its fullest. Moreover, it especially denies the rights of our children to experience the richness of our native wildlife in the way I did all because some people have a quaintly sentimental attitude to a very commonplace and cosmopolitan companion species that is not sentimental at all about killing, very often without need.

          • Paul

            In these situations…with cat lobbyists …sentimentality rules over environmental pragmatism every time. Yet when it suits them…as it suits Bob Kerridge….they say “yeah, killing is ok…natural….. as long as cats are doing it to native species” and then say no to Conservationists doing it to this introduced predator they bred and mercilessly released on NZ
            To my way of thinking SPCA stands for Society for the Protection of Cats Alone.

          • Jack Too

            A simple question, how do you suggest that native birds could overcome the challenges of being being wiped out by cats ? Bearing in mind they had no predators feasting on them prior to the arrival of humans (and their cats)

            Yes birds kill to survive. Cats, however, kill for pleasure.

          • Comikris

            Well, I don’t believe they kill for pleasure. I always find that my cat brings what ever she kills to our door step (its mostly mice and rats though) like she is giving us something. And that’s not for me to figure out, but they can fly.

          • Jack Too

            OK, most native birds can fly. But as they lived in a predator free environment for ages they are curious to see what cats are, not being aware of what happens next.

            The fact that your cat brings you what she has killed rather than eating it must suggest something to you, other than its a present for you for taking care of her.

            The point most of those on this blog who are pro native bird, is we want cat owners to show some responsibility to owning a cat, i.e. neutering the cat, keeping it inside at night so it doesn’t kill or roam, have a collar and bell on it to alert possible victims.

            When your cat eventually dies, consider not replacing it.

          • Comikris

            No, that is wrong. This is the “Have your say” section.

            And what? Should I take that as she wants to kill me?

            Are you saying that i’m not responsible for my cat? – We have a cat bell for her collar, and she sleeps inside everynight.

            These are good steps to alert them, and everypoint you have brought up paul has all ready responded to them, i’m just repeating myself now.

            Getting rid of cats is not the best way to go. And I own birds Jack, so I am seeing it from both sides.

  • disqus_lbhPxgvsEO

    Humans are the main reason why animals and birds are endangered. So I would suggest that Gareth Morgan and Geoff Simmons don’t recreate themselves after they die, and allow animals and birds more space to live and grow.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks, I can assure you I have no plans to clone myself.

  • romulus

    Can you please provide data that shows NZ domestic cats are the major threat to wildlife vs all other threats to wildlife. Thankyou.

    • Paul

      There is research . Ive seen enough myself but cant direct you to it right now. Much it is about the impact of domestic cats on native populations elsewhere in the world I have to admit. Buts its very compelling. You couldn’t have created a more deadly predator for its size if you tried. Weight for weight..its match for anything.
      Combine the cats abilities to destroy with its location in NZ and you’ve had a recipe for terrible mayhem wrought upon our vulnerable spps.
      In NZ, the cat contributed to the extinction of eleven bird spp directly and 10 others indirectly. That’s fact.

      The cat helped wipe out Huia and piopio. Its nearly help make the Kakapo extinct. It wont stop just because you say leave it alone its cute and cuddly.

      • romulus

        The fact a cat is an effective predator does not therefore mean domestic cats are the greatest threat to bird wildlife. It simply means a cat is an effective predator. You need to *prove* that *domestic cats* are the greatest threat to bird wildlife. You assert “the cat” contributed to the extinction of bird species. Where’s your proof? Secondly, where is your proof this was caused by domestic cats?

        • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

          Romulus have you bothered to read the research on this website?

          • romulus

            “Bothered”? You are asserting something as fact, I’m asking you to back it up. The research on this site is cherry picked and doesn’t answer my questions. Here’s another: How are you going to control rats in urban environments without cats? Constant 1080 drops? The laying of poison all over the suburbs isn’t going to go down well with Ma and Pa, is it.

    • Jack Too

      I believe that the University of Otago carried out a year long study on the predation of domestic cats. This was a self reporting study by cat owners on what their moggy bought in through the cat flap. This research was carried out by the zoology department and headed by Dr Yolanda
      van Heezik. I’m sure if you google it you’ll find it.

      I stress it was domestic cats not the feral, that were studied. I can only assume feral cats would be more lethal.

      • romulus

        Did they study how many birds were killed due to rats and other predators?

        • Jack Too

          No. Your point is ?

          • romulus

            If cats killed more bird-killing pests (like rats) than they did birds, and bird-killing pests kill more birds than cats, then just counting how many birds cats kill doesn’t tell you much. Check it out: “”What we found was that this little seabird did better when both cats and rats were on the island, rather than just rats,” said Matt Rayner, a conservation ecologist at the University of Auckland. When the non-native cats were voted off the island with traps and poison, three times as many chicks perished than with both predators around.”

          • romulus

            And anyone who thinks they are going to control rats and other pests in urban areas using poison is out of their mind. Ongoing poison drops where there are kids and dogs? Really?

          • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

            Check out the sciblogs response to this: http://sciblogs.co.nz/politecol/?tag=cat

          • romulus

            Unrealistic. Most people aren’t going to invest in such traps and monitor them and clean them out. The cat is better at the rat-elimination job, as well as providing all the other benefits cats do. The occasional bird is a small price to pay.

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Romulus you might want to see this, out today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21236690

      We have never said that cats are THE major threat. The fact is that in many places we are controlling other predators but not cats, so they end up doing the damage. Cat control is where the public conversation needs to happen.

      • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

        Interesting though in the Nature study out today, Dr Pete Marra from the SCBI said: “Our study suggests that
        they are the top threat to US wildlife.”

      • romulus

        That report says: “Writing in Nature Communications, the scientists said stray and feral cats were the worst offenders” So why focus on domestic cats and get people offside? And if you don’t have data on the the damage a cat does relative to other causes, then I question your motives. Those windmills you environmentalists are so fond of – how many birds and bats do they kill?

  • disqus_1htod63Pdw

    Rather than “getting rid” of cats, why don’t you suggest people keep them inside, or at least only outside in the day? Surely people would rather do that then “get rid of” their cat?

    • Paul

      I believe that is being suggested

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Absolutely that is the idea. If people can’t bear to be parted from having a moggie, we suggest they keep it inside.

  • DA

    I support this plan 100%. Perhaps it would help it sound more palatable if you simply asked for parity (initially).
    Dogs are already required to be under your control at all times–indoors or on a leash. They are also tagged, licensed and chipped.
    It only seems fair if cats were treated the same.

    • Paul

      I second that motion DA
      So True. I voted you up too.

  • DA

    Also, there is a health risk to humans from cats. Toxoplasmosis gondii–a parasite that infects humans but can only reproduce in cats. It is spread through cat feces.
    Imagine how excited I am to find cat feces in my organic garden. :(
    And it does infect the brain of the victim. There is no cure. And it changes your behavior.
    Disturbing to say the least.
    I don’t care if people have cats–but please, keep them in your house.

    • Paul

      please contribute more in the future. You’re on to it .

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Thanks DA – we came at this from the wildlife angle and were surprised to come across the possible human health issues such as this and asthma which is a big problem here in New Zealand.

  • DA

    A doctoral student at the University of Georgia put cameras on cats to record their activities. The cats equipped with Kitty Cams killed an average of 2.1 animals per week
    Her conclusion? “Loyd recommends in a brochure to keep cats indoors to protect them and vulnerable wildlife.”
    You can watch some of the video at the link:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/kitty-cam-uga-research-national-geographic-killing_n_1757070.html

    • Xavier Payne

      Thanks for that useful research. It’s good to have you as part of the current debate. Yes, I ran across the same study. Numerous other research studies coming out around the world are showing that the cat predation problem is far far worse than previously thought. Most scientists working in this area are pleading with governments to take drastic action. Given that we have vastly more cats/household than any other country, as well as a wildlife population not evolved to deal with cats, we should be leading the way, rather than dragging our heels and doing nothing. We would all love to hear from the various city councils around the country. None of them have had the vision to take action.

  • Paul

    Gareth and Geoff.

    I’m really sorry if Ive over-stayed my welcome here (having just realized how many comments Ive made..eek)…but you guys have provided a wonderful opportunity to engage people on a very important issue, to me personally, but more importantly for NZ as a whole.

    This is a unique country in terms of it natural history. A real treasure. And cats are pirates to my way of thinking ,looting that treasure. They deserve respect, to be treated humanely ,and this site does in no way suggest otherwise……..but unless they can be controlled as we control ourselves by laws…they must go. No two ways about it.
    Paul

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Paul, no need to apologise at all. It has been a pleasure to watch the conversation go from an explosion of emotion to a mature, self-moderated discussion between members of the public. That for us is a big success.

      • Paul

        thanks…
        yes …the tone has changed completely, …in a positive way too.

  • John Taylor

    Living in the country the cat deals to rats,mice and rabbits,without the cat we would have mice everywhere.Maybe you need a few cats on the Antipodes Islands ? There is a place for everthing on the planet. A war on feral cats would be a starter.

    signed Pussy

    • Jack Too

      No argument about feral cats. But I would suggest if you have a rodent problem you should sort it yourself, rather than depend on a cat that goes for easier prey..like native birds, when the birds have mostly gone, then the cat will have a crack at the mice.

      • Martin Nicholls

        Yes, that has been proven by examples time and time again with tragic outcomes.

    • Martin Nicholls

      I can’t believe you’d even suggest the antipodes. Apart from anything else, this includes a unique and quite large species of kakariki, especially vulnerable to cat predation because of its reluctance to fly. Apart from this the Antipodes Islands are a nature reserve and part of the New Zealand Subantarctic World Heritage Site. Also, history has proven that cats render vulnerable endemic species extinct before they get rid of rodents and rabbits. Rodents and rabbits have co-evolved with cats to be part of the predator/prey balance. This does not apply to New Zealand’s endemic wildlife because it is simply wiped out by cats. The now extinct McQuarie parakeet is a tragic example of this happening in other vulnerable island habitats.
      How about rethinking your argument and looking at the concept of biogeographic natural diversity where the great wonder and beauty of this planet lies in the fact that each place has its own unique flora and fauna. New Zealand, because of its very long isolation from other landmasses, not least. Cats are cosmopolitan and commonplace. For this reason there are places they simply should not be if we are serious about nature conservation.
      Yes, deal with feral cats by all means but realise, too, that new feral populations are often created by domestic cat introductions to new urban areas where too many owners (even if a small minority) fail to have their cats desexed.

  • tinyandmisty@hotmail.com

    what a pity such imbeciles such as gareth Morgan exist. if he is a kiwi, please be so kind as to keep this moron on your side of the tasman
    tinyandmisty@hotmail.com

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Geoff Simmons

      Dear Tiny and Misty, Sir Robert Muldoon, Prime Minister of New Zealand from 1975-1984, once said that New Zealanders moving to Australia “raised the IQ of both countries”. This is not an endorsement of his comments, just thought you might like to know.

      • tinyandmisty@hotmail.com

        just so happens i was working at THC milford when piggy made those comments. ever heard of thc milford, it was where Politicians of your country went at taxpayers expense to wine and dine and make dumb comments such as yours which caused me to post a ressponse to your offensive diatribe

    • tinyandmisty@hotmail.com

      i notice you are very selective what you allow on the site, i replied to your insulting piggy muldoon quote. i notice it was ignored

  • Xavier Payne

    New Zealand’s extreme cat plague is killing our native birds and other wildlife, polluting our gardens and general environment, spreading disease, causing nuisance, and driving many people crazy. It is a source of national shame and contributing to our declining reputation as an environmentally friendly country. But I am glad to hear that some fed-up people are ready to take action and begin trapping and disposing of cats. In light of the failure of local and national political groups to deal with New Zealand’s deadly cat infestation, there is nothing else to do except embark on private cat culling. Fortunately, it is completely legal. Here is a link to one of many YouTube videos showing effective ways to trap cats. Remember, however, it is no good to simply dump the cats out in the country. Their sadistic rampages will continue and they and join the rapidly growing feral cat population. Trapped cats must be killed in a humane way. It gets easier the more you do it. All of New Zealand’s wildlife, and a great many of its frustrated citizens, thank you. Oh, a friend of mine got a cat last night — one down, and only 1.41 million domestics and 400,000 ferals to go !!!!! My two traps are ready to go for tonight. Here’s the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpOVIbKYs8

  • Xavier Payne

    The serious cat plague that is wreaking havoc on wildlife and the quality of life in New Zealand is as much a sociological challenge as it is an environmental one. Before any collective action will be taken to deal with this dangerous situation, we must ask WHY New Zealand has such an abnormally high number of cats, and why the rate of cat ownership here is so far greater than any other country. For anyone doubting that New Zealand has gone absolutely cat crazy, here are some comparisons that I was able to find using various cross-cultural research reports on pet ownership.
    These stats are the average NUMBER OF DOMESTIC CATS PER HOUSEHOLD (i.e., the number of cats divided by the number of households):

    New Zealand 1.0 cat per household
    Germany .19 cat per household (NZ has five times more cats)
    UK .30 cats per household (NZ has 3.3 times more cats)
    Japan .15 cat per household (NZ has 7 times more cats)
    Brazil .21 cat per household (NZ has 5 times more cats)
    Russia .2.4 cat per household (NZ has 4 times more cats)
    What is the reason for the extremely high degree of cat ownership in New Zealand? We must find an answer before we can begin to address this serious problem. This would be an excellent topic for a doctoral dissertation or masters thesis for a graduate student in environmental studies, ecology, sociology, etc.

  • http://twitter.com/WLLK Wilson Kerr

    THANK YOU. Please keep up this important work!! The US is overrun with unowned “free roaming” cats and they are doing massive damage. Your comments about the gun lobby is right-on. Lots of emotional hand wringing from the pro-cat side, but few facts and even less apparent interest in stepping up and stopping their cats from running free committing this endless carnage. At the very least, keep your cat indoors. At the very, very least, put a bell on it’s collar.

  • <3 cats

    but what if cats become extinct, I know that’s extreme, but if lets says, their is a law that says all cats have to be neutered and you cant get a replacement cat once it has passed away, wont the cat population drop and/or disappear?

    Any way the cats don’t know its wrong to kill. its just apart of their natural instincts and since they cant really be trained ,we cant punish them for killing birds and mammals by wiping out their race. and what about tigers and lions and cheetahs they kill bigger mammals and birds and people aren’t saying ‘lions to go” ect. and humans/hunters are a big cause in other animal’s extinction (dodo) and we aren’t trying to cut down the population of humans even they do more damage than cats and minor mammals. in my own opinion birds and annoying they wont let me sleep in with all their chirping cats are good companions and kittens do the funniest things!

    • Jack Too

      So, like Bob Kerridge you are saying “cats do, what cats do” and that somehow excuses the problem ?

      Most cat owners also know what “cats do” when they let them roam, i.e. they kill native birds (for pleasure not for food) for one thing plus foul neighbour’s gardens.

      I am not advocating getting rid of all cats, I want responsible cat owners, i.e those that are taking measures to preserve our native birds.

  • <3 cats

    paul, no offence but I think if Gareth and Geoff made this website they don’t need you to stand up for them all the time and comment on every cat-loving comment I understand it both ways but I love cats:3 owning 4 yes 4 of my own and yes they do kill,like most living things they have too eat too.

    • Paul

      I understand what you saying.
      And I do feel at times I’m almost going into ‘bat’ for these guys. They can look after themselves I know. And for this I constantly question myself . Especially in light of the fact ,that I didn’t personally agree with the repatriation of ‘Happy Feet’ to Southern waters. lol

      But they have fronted up to the media with a great initiative…..and the shock of it to people has meant there are many occasions where they simply cannot reply . It wont achieve anything for them if you follow me…… the people are so abusive, rude etc…. totally over the top emotionally. But these people probably are reacting this way as there is a real issue here and they know it……and should be engaged in debate .

      • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

        Paul, thanks for your hard work in all these discussions. This has sparked a lot of interest and I am trying to get around and answer questions when I can, but there is not enough hours in the day. Geoff and I really appreciate your involvement and your polite, rational tone.

        • Paul

          …There are very many people who have something to say on this, that’s for sure. . and its divides us for a while, but that is also ok….as attitudes change hopefully for the good. Everyone has seen cats at work…killing native animals for the sake of it. They know cats have contributed to many NZ bird extinctions and they know the destruction will not stop there….. if left unchecked .

      • Tracy Dickinson

        In other words you are white-knighting?
        Coolyeahalright.

  • Paul

    cats are not the only serious introduced predator upon NZ native animals. They are one of a number, a list which includes the infamous Stoats and Ferrets
    But unlike Stoats and Ferrets….Cats are deliberately spread around NZ by the SPCA ….and enjoy the full protection of people who wish not to accept the damage they are have done in past years , and continue to do to this day.

    If cat owners and the SPCA were simply better informed about the true nature of these pets, their potential to prevent further recovery of native species….and were required by law to restrict them from roaming for example, as dog owners are….
    New Zealand’s people would have made a great achievement towards ongoing preservation of their natural history.

  • Marc

    One day of human activity kills more birds than all cats in one year.
    Pesticides used in the agriculture, the industrial pollution, the car traffic are the main things guilty of the disappearance of the endemic fauna.
    To save birds, it is necessary to eliminate rather the human people than the cats.

    • Paul

      “One day of human activity kills more birds than all cats in one year.” I guess by this you mean chicken farming and so on. Well that would be true.

      …..But the argument of this site has a whole different context to it surely ? We are simply talking about an introduced animal that predates upon NZ native animals..,,,, who have little defense against the cat. The cat is too good for them. Other predators, at least can be controlled. if I saw a stoat in my garden trying to raid a Tui nest…I could hit it on the head (theoretically) with a spade and no one would bat and eyelid. People would even applaud. A cat trying to do the same thing…..well …imagine I swede’d it and a neighbour sees…..they’d probably call the police. The cat gets protected by society but it kills like a stoat. Worse actually. Far worse.

      A cat shouldn’t be above everything. It should have rules too. Like a dog.

      • Marc

        Look simply at the number of birds struck by cars every day. Birds have not much luck against these predators.

        Cats are very small exterminators of birds compared with the drivers of cars for example.
        Your logic is a little bit simplistic.

        • Paul

          Where’s you data on extinctions caused by cars then?

          If cats don’t kill as many birds ..its because there aren’t as many birds any more
          A car killing a bird is an unfortunate accident. I don’t think a car goes into the forest to kill more birds once its had first blood.
          So where your data on cars killing birds?
          Most of the road kill Ive seen is not native spp.

    • Xavier Payne

      It’s not rocket science to figure out that humans are the source of all the world’s major problems, including that of cats. And yes, the massive overarching issue facing our planet is how to drastically reduce the number of human beings. In my lifetime alone, the population of the Earth has nearly tripled. The ultimate taboo, however, is to suggest that people stop having children. But at some point, a great and immensely courageous visionary will step up and take charge, like Gareth Morgan has done with cats, and instead of asking “Will you make this cat your last cat etc…”, the question will become something along the lines of “Will you forego having children in order to save the planet?” or “Will you limit the size of your family to one child in order to save the planet?”. Now THAT will really cause the s**t to hit the fan!!!! But the infestation of humans is no reason not to seek a solution to the infestation of cats in beautiful New Zealand. Beyond that, it’s good practice for us cultural changers because people being asked to re-think their child bearing brainwashing will react in an identical way to what we see regarding cats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Orcdoc Carlos Slater

    I can 100% guarantee in the 11 years both my cats have been alive, they have never caught let alone killed any birds, native or otherwise. We have Birmans, they are breed not to be hunters. So the “fact” on this hate site that claims all cats are killers is false. Also, Birmans do not roam, so the claim that all cats roam is again, false. Also, the “info graphic” claims that 40% of all native birds have been killed by cats (I wonder where they all went? – arrow pointing to cats stomach). Where is the proof? Did cats kill the Moa? They were a native bird, show me the cats that took them down. In my more than 40 years and more than 7 or so cats, none have ever caught a bat. Bells do work, that is proven, thats why so many cats wear them, show us the proof that they don’t. If there were no cats in New Zealand, this country would be a much sadder place. What about all the cats that help the elderly or the sick or all the joy children get from them? I live 10 minutes from the Wellington city centre and we have hundreds of native birds, I can hear them now, but there are also multiple cats in the same area, strange, this hate site seems to say that cats are like a virus and will kill all birds in the area… If Gareth Morgan want us all to keep our cats inside, is he going to supply every cat owner in the country a litter tray and a cats lifetime supply of cat litter? I think not. And, why does Gareth Morgan think he has any right to tell people what they can and can not do. His claim that he wants the right to trap and kill cats that come on his property is appalling.

    • Xavier Payne

      Carlos, I’ve done a lot of research into cats and their bird killing. As strongly as I feel that cats have NO place in an ecosystem like that of New Zealand, I will partially agree with you on one point. Not all cats are equally committed to killing birds and other creatures. Most are, but not all. While all cats have the killer instinct, research that I’ve seen shows that around 80% of cats are actually successful on a regular basis in killing birds, and a good percentage of those are incredibly adept at killing and can notch up some mindboggling numbers. In terms of particular breeds that are less inclined to kill, I suggest that you look up some cat lover websites that discuss which breeds of cats have less tendency to kill. I’m attaching a link here. There isn’t much agreement on which cat breeds are less lethal than others, but maybe you are right about Bermins, I don’t know. The cat owners themselves almost always say that all cats have this killer instinct, but it would be interesting if you could research this a bit and let everyone know which breeds might kill less than others. If there is some truth to this, it would certainly help someone make a better choice of cat if they wish to consider the impact it will have on wildlife. One other point, I’ve looked closely at the bell issue and research is very clear on this — bells do NOT work. The vests are a bit more effective but not many cat owners are willing to fit their cats with vests in order to save wildlife. All cats need to be kept INSIDE at all times. And, for god’s sake, do not get a cat if you can’t afford cat litter!!!!!!!!

      http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070531092741AAuumx3

  • disqus_CwGAcwLRV8

    I fully support Gareth’s views on cats. I for one made my last cat my “last” cat. I do not want to own another cat for many reasons.

    • Xavier Payne

      Bless your beautiful heart!!! You made my day!!!!

  • Annie

    I find this website disturbing. You’re only seeing it from birds and mice point of view – cats didn’t ask to be born feral and it is our fault as humans that there are so many ferals. Granted, there is overpopulation, however, hating them and killing them all is not the answer, they are just trying to survive by eating mice and birds. It’s not right to promote hatred of cats, they are innocent and also victims of humans not caring enough to spay/neuter to begin with.

    • Martin Nicholls

      No it’s not about HATING them! It’s about facing the reality of the unique vulnerability of our native wildlife to predation by cats and other mammals. An argument like yours tacitly seems to put the welfare of cats ahead of the need to protect and restore what is left of our native fauna before species are lost forever. No, they didn’t ask to be brought here and, no, they didn’t choose to be neglected and dumped to begin a new life as ferals. Also, cats happen to be quite large and hungry for an introduced, free-ranging mammalian predator.
      Let’s begin by facing reality and accepting the need to (a) prevent cats from breeding by having compulsory desexing, registration and microchipping (with the only cats available to the general public being those that have been so treated), then (b) be able to trap cats that wander and check their microchipping status. If not microchipped, euthanase. If microchipped, find the owner and impose a fine for having a wandering cat.
      If this all sounds daft, it wouldn’t take long for irresponsible cat owners to get the point and start to comply – or lose their cats. Then we might see less predation on native species and less migration by cats. Pest and predators of other species would be able to be routinely and intensively managed and controlled.

  • Xavier Payne

    Thanks, CatsToGo, for putting up the survey about the SPCA and their ecologically insane practice of releasing stray cats into the environment. New Zealand has a collective cat fetish and by far the highest rate of cat ownership in the world, with a fragile ecology that should have NO cats whatsoever, and the last thing this magnificent country needs is for an endless stream of more cats shoved at it. The SPCA, despite the good work it does with other animals, is one of our country’s biggest enemies when it comes to cats. I made the mistake in the past of supporting them financially, but I will never again donate to them until they face reality when it comes to New Zealand’s cat plague. At least I’m glad that over 80% of people disagree with the SPCA’s practice of flooding the environment with stray cats, and that must mean that even many cat lovers see it as a dangerous and counterproductive idea. That said, I think we should congratulate the Hamilton SPCA for their recent call for a nighttime cat curfew. Of course, the idea was shot down by other SPCA branches, in particular the kooky Auckland SPCA which seems to have its head buried deeply in the sand. The Christchurch SPCA here in The Cat City is also doing its best to destroy this country’s wildlife with killer cats.

  • Tracy Dickinson

    Wow dude! Someone is not only a cat-killer but seems to also be for censorship. I gave a legit opinion and you blocked it out? Yeah, you know how to work the media and people in your favor you loon.

    • Xavier Payne

      Ah, hello, is anyone there? You’re wondering about your ‘legitimate’ opinion, are you? Tracy, I saw your comment and it was wildly irrational, over-the-top vicous, cruel, needlessly personal, totally out of sync with the spirit of this discussion, and useless except to p**s people off, so mellow out, pull in your claws, and actually try to feel a bit for the millions of victims of cats. Otherwise, you’re only going to give cat owners an even worse name than they already have.

      • Tracy Dickinson

        My more recent one is much more to the point. LOL. Welcome to the internet.

        • Paul

          Tracy get a life. You can go on youtube and trash the world and you wont get moderated. I’m sure you can find something there to inspire your darker side. If cats were reincarnated to humans…then they would become something like you. A creature hell bent on destruction LOL back at ya
          I see above, your a nurse ,a doctor maybe. Is that true Tracy? You guys ‘care’ don’t you?
          The issue is not about daft kids shooting birds with bb guns…its about a cats ‘potential’ for destruction v’s native animals vulnerability. It’s like Godzilla v’s mini mouse in a NZ scenario. Terrible

          Every other threat can be dealt with in some way …cats can currently kill with impunity ,thanks to the SPCA and its infinite wisdom

          • Tracy Dickinson

            Well with you, who has sat here and replied to a ton of posts disagreeing with this, how can I not listen and get a life? (/sarcasm) My top post was very well put together, no cussing, nothing over-the-top, just disagreement. I don’t want destruction. I’m a pacifist, I only fight when I need to. So you going crazy over my previous posts without even truly knowing what I’m about is…well, it’s stupid honestly.

            I care and do more for animals then you currently do I bet. I spend my days helping people’s animals pull through some of the craziest stuff you can fathom. Don’t doubt my resolve in caring.

            Right now I’m being serious, before I was trolling. I would think people would be smart enough to tell the difference. My really long post and this one is me being serious.

            Also Youtube? Really? Is that the extent of your knowledge of the dark corners of the net?

          • Paul

            Yes, fortunately , youtube probably is my my limit to the darker side. Actually, like you I’m all for fee speech and freedom of the net. But Trolling seems to be a poison to the above and glad you stopped it now. If someone has to work out whose trolling and whose not, we would never get anywhere. It goes no where as a form of communication as far as I’m concerned.
            Ok , so you care! I believe you. What do you really care about? Your freedom to have a cat… at the expense of the freedom of lizards, birds? Hit me with something in ‘troll free way’.

            So your bird sits by your cat…and lives to tell the tale! Cool. Ive seen a Lion in Africa that kept catching young antelope and trying to protect them rather than eat them. The lioness starved to death in the end. It was a natural anomaly. These things happen.

            …..Sorry I skimmed your above post and…missed the fact you’re in vet hospital…

          • Martin Nicholls

            Yeah! Remember Marg? This troll seems to have given up. She seemed to enjoy giving me and Anna a hard time with no attempt to articulate a credible argument either way.

          • Paul

            I think Tracy was a vet or vet assistant and had personal interest in ‘the more cats the richer I am”.
            Actually Marg has probably gone to troll other pages on this particular site. There are many other contributors she can annoy there. lol
            We need a T-shirt that has a cat with a big black cross over it to wear when we are on the computer. lol

  • Tracy Dickinson

    I work at a hospital specializing in treatment of the avian variety (seriously, most of what we see is birds) and I can tell you I have seen some crazy stuff. birds getting shot with BB guns, dogs eating their feet, a crossbow shooting one, one losing it’s wing to a telephone wire. in my years of work, I have seen maybe THREE cases of cats causing serious injury to birds that were brought to us. My cat is SCARED of my parrot, so what then? Not all cats are these evil monstrosities that this man is making them out to be, he is a liar and a pandering psychopath. I showed this to my boss, a veterinarian specializing in BIRDS and he was disgusted. Eliminating one animal from the equation is not the answer. Just keep a closer eye on your pets, like your cats, dogs, birds, whatever you have and they won’t interfere with each other. My cat is sitting behind me right now with my bird on my shoulder. Is the cat killing it? No. He’s just sitting there minding his business like he always does. So c’mon people, be LOGICAL. Don’t let sensationalism cloud your minds with all the lies this man is spouting. Think of how loving a companion your pet has been, and do what’s right for THEM.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Hey, fair enough as far as it goes, but there are many cats with many different hunting and dietary preferences (as with people). There are those that wander and those that stay at home – or so the owners’ think! On the issue of what humans do to birds I have to agree and we are a very cruel and callous species. Falcon are still routinely shot in North Island areas, despite being endangered and highly protected. There is a cultural fixation with birds of prey and that they kill birds, despite fulfilling a role in our natural ecosystem and have done for possibly millions of years. It seems to take time to change fixed cultural attitudes and views, time we don’t have any more. As far as ruru are concerned, at Bushy Park their numbers are steadily climbing and they undoubtedly take robin, but without seeming to make a significant difference to their numbers. Ruru also prey on mice (still in Bushy Park) and they may be a factor in why mouse numbers seem to be declining.

      I talked to a local DoC officer today and he told me the Department had trapped a cat and placed a monitoring tracking device on it, then releasing it so they knew where it went over a number of nights. The owner was quickly found when his cat returned home and he was incensed, insisting to DoC staff that his cat never wanders – always stays around home. When they told him that his cat was monitored over a number of nights and that he had wandered up to 24 kilometres from home in one night, taking a number of native birds on the way, and had even visited the local rubbish dump on another occasion, he was rather more circumspect.

      So your cat may be an exception. In other instances, DoC have ongoing and highly frustrating efforts to control cats that wander into such places as mainland islands and a number are domestic (as that monitoring exercise demonstrated). Because of the Animal Health Act, and the policies of the Animal Welfare Advisory Council, many very cost-effective means of controlling pest mammals have been lost to the nature conservation movement (the new self-setting traps aside). Furthermore, companion animals are a big concern because in order to protect them from poisoning and trapping operations, the legal control of other pest species using poisoning and trapping becomes next to impossible (and believe me the SPCA keep a close eye on their operations!). The issue is not with dogs because they can be kept under control and prevented from wandering. Furthermore, dog owners are mostly cooperative with pest and wildlife managers and are realistic about what their pets can do (and dogs can be successfully trained to avoid killing native birds). The issue lies with cats and the peculiar historic circumstance that they are mostly free to wander wherever they like and there are no legal sanctions currently placed on owners who let their cats do so. It may be for this reason that cat owners are so much in denial about what cats can, and will, do, and are generally arrogantly uncooperative when it comes to the role of pest and predator managers in mainland bird sanctuaries. Basically, when cats wander into protected natural areas they might as well be completely feral and it is a lottery as to what they might prefer as prey.
      One thing that interests me in all this. One does not hear from the animal rights and welfare lobby contributing to this debate about the rights and protection of rats, stoats, ferrets, weasels and possums. Do they have the same concerns about these animals, or is it selectively cats that concern these lobbyists because we keep them as pets? Certainly, one does not hear a peep out of Bob Kerridge about “the balance of nature” as it applies to those recognised non-pet pests (vermin as far as most humans are concerned), or about their rights to live. They also seem unconcerned that their beloved family pet might catch a mouse or a bird and literally torture it to death, thence wandering off bored, its poor victim left uneaten. The argument seems very inconsistent to me, but is typical of how human beings rationalise things.
      And, yes… I have killed cats – many of them in my time. I didn’t like doing it but I have had to if it meant saving robin from their primary predator where I was working. At all times I took a humane approach. Some of these cats were pets, but I made a value judgement and placed threatened and unique indigenous fauna (for which a lot of money was spent to capture, translocate and protect them – yes, for the benefit of human visitors) above ubiquitous and cosmopolitan cats. All cats trapped and killed (bar three) had killed primarily native birds and reptiles (despite still high but declining rat numbers) as their stomach contents revealed. The cat lobby should realise that extinction is forever and, where some of us can do so, we wish to at least try to do something about it before it comes to this tragic end for a number of currently threatened or declining species. We have no wish for them to become cat fodder while it might be possible to change enough attitudes and opinions.

      • Paul

        Martin…I think Tracy is off to find the oxygen mask after reading this. You might not hear from her again. Nearly took my breath away too. So well explained.,compelling .So true.
        Any antagonist should put their head in their hands at this point. I wish .
        Former curator of birds at Tepapa informed me once of a similar study where a number of cats near the Dunedin botanical gardens had radio transmitters attached around their necks and were monitored on their nightly strolls. Despite their spread of localities…each at some point roamed into the gardens.

        As you so well put it. One really doesn’t need to know specifically what they killed…but understand more their potential to kill anything that crosses the path.

        (apologies if you’ve already talked about this study somewhere else yourself…I have so little time to read everything at the moment…and there’s a lot to read too.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/tazdirtyboots ハート クロエ

    Hello! Chloe Hart here in Cork, Ireland. My friend Lucian Best asks “Why not create law stating that every household cat must wear an easy-release ‘bell’ collar. The birds will hear the cat coming from ages away and be able to escape. ” Also organize Trap, Neuter Return to take control of the feral cat population. It’s the most humane way and is a win-win situation for both cat lovers and cat haters. :D

    • Martin Nicholls

      Not really. ‘Easy release’ is self-explanatory and is why most bell collars are only slightly effective. It’s interesting that we, in New Zealand, do not have a particularly humane attitude to stoats, ferrets, weasels, possums and rats that we regard as pest vermin (unlike in your homeland where a number are indigenous). They have a right to be treated humanely too and our trap designs are undertaken with this in mind these days, but we do not create sanctuaries for them – the craziest idea I have ever heard if one understands the situation with pest animals that applies here.
      Great to hear someone from Cork! That is where my paternal grandmother was born and I paid it a visit in 1989 (the yawn-factor family tree homeland visit!). A really beautiful place.
      You may not appreciate that New Zealand is unique for a significant continental landmass in having been isolated from the nearest other continental landmasses for 85 million years. This has meant a land without terrestrial mammals, apart from three species of bat. It was a land of birds and reptiles and giant insects, as well as huge carnivorous snails, largely naive, slow-breeding and poorly evolved to cope with the mammalian predators humans introduced. On these having been brought to New Zealand, animal extinctions began apace and we have the unenviable reputation of having among the highest rates of avian extinction per land area of any country in the world. Many, including government, are attempting to reverse the decline with our Department of Conservation having developed a global reputation as expert in pest eradication from island reserves and in bird translocations to safe sites. We have a concept named ‘mainland islands’ – sanctuaries that simulate the pest-free nature of our island reserves by intensively controlling mammalian predators. These initiatives have been necessary to save many species, but is incredibly expensive. Among the pest predators that need to be controlled (and eliminated if possible) one is the domestic cat (Felis cattus), that has become feral here and where unsterilised domestic animals contribute to the feral stock, often to new places where humans choose to settle.
      The cat control and reduction debate has begun out of this necessity (some say desperation and crisis), but few New Zealanders who love cats appear to have grasped New Zealand’s special biological significance and how vulnerable are our indigenous (notably endemic) species to mammalian predation and habitat damage. Something has to be done.

  • http://twitter.com/SarzJMac Sarah Jones

    My cat is micro chipped purely because at $700 if he went missing I would want to be able to get him back. My cat has lived his 4 years within the walls of our house. The only thing he has killed in his life are bugs, fly’s and the odd net curtain. We had a mouse in our house and he never touched it! I think there should be a cap on how many cat’s you can have as I have a neighbour who has about 11 cats. Pure crazy! I love my cat. But the neighbous not only do my head in but they also do my cats head in. I’m sick of them pooping all over my yard, terrorising fellow cats in the neighbourhood and trying to fight my cat the glass doors. In my opinion there should be a cap on how many cats a person can have and all pets regardless should be micro chipped. I would not register my cat as he is an inside cat so that is out of the question. I would also have another cat when our beloved kitty goes to kitty heaven.

    • Jack Too

      Your comment puts the problem in a nutshell. We have responsible cat owners who are passionate about their pets (you for example) and who are responsible, probably the same goes for the pro-cat people on this blog.

      Then we have the others, like your neighbours, who, on the face of it are not responsible.

      I think what Gareth Morgan and co are advocating, is for owners to be responsible for their pets and what their pets do. If you know your cat is killing native birds, do something about. If your cat poops in your neighbours garden, do something to remedy it. If you cant, then you shouldn’t have a cat, much in the same way negligent dog owners can not own a dog.

      • Paul

        Hey Jack. I agree with you… . Sarah does seem like a responsible owner. Possibly a rare ‘breed’ of New Zealander .
        … Joking aside ,and no offense to you Sarah….
        This morning I read in our free weekly newspaper that the local SPCA is happy to announce it re-homes 75% of all the stray and unwanted cats they receive in. That’s not an achievement to be proud of in my mind. It would be if they were going to the Sarahs’ of this world. But they are no doubt going to people who think ‘providing a home’ for a cat involves a daily tin of ‘meaty bites’ and a free ticket to the neigbours garden at night( and all that is contained therein.)

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, I wonder what would happen if your neighbour’s cats were picked off one by one as I and a friend had to do once when we were at the end of our tether from a cat plague in our area (which was also a health hazard that the local authority refused to acknowledge, let alone address. Illegal though it might be, I wonder if the people would be able to prove they own any destroyed cat in a court of law if it were not desexed (ie, not registered at a vet) or microchipped to identify the owner. otherwise it could be regarded as just another feral nuisance. This is something for messers Morgan and Simmons to consider.

      I appreciate what you are doing, though, and I only wish there were more pet owners like you. Unfortunately, although cat registration would not be aimed at responsible pet owners like you, but at those who find it too easy and too cheap to own a cat and who are not prepared to desex it and have it identified. Alas, you would be caught in the legal crossfire if registration becomes compulsory because a few people spoil it for everybody else. This is the blunt instrument of the law.

  • http://twitter.com/SarzJMac Sarah Jones

    Harmless kitty!

    • Paul

      That one might be. Ive seen the breed before…looks like a living toy…very docile…. maybe only manage to eat the occasional Archey’s frog (if there were any to eat up you way)
      But they are not representative of cats in general surely?.
      (They’re also kept indoors for safety…. they are valuable to people).

      When people talk about all cats are dangerous they need to generalize this aspect…. otherwise the argument would get too verbose. Anybody can produce some anomaly/exception to the case and say ” look at this..what harm would it do?” I could show you photos too. Individual cats that have brought absolute Catastrophe to local populations of native spp.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lloyd.jerome Lloyd Jerome

    We live on a farm in the far north. We have 3 farm cats. Since we moved to the area 8 years ago the numbers of mice and rats have plummeted; all our neighbours have noticed the difference. I know that:

    a) there are other ways of catching rodents. But our neighbours used those methods and still suffered problems with plagues of rodents, this doesn’t happen now.

    b) the cats are not innocent. The have killed fantails, mynahs, and chicks in their nests. But since the cats (and the traps) have kept the rodent population under control, we have more Tuis, Kererus, Fantails, Quail and other birds in the garden.

    So what are we to do? The cats clearly form a useful part of our pest control, and we’d be worse off in a biodiverse way without them.

    • Martin Nicholls

      I’m not convinced this applies to things overall though. I’ve seen the converse, especially as applies to our native reptiles which suffer tragic losses due to cats. In New Plymouth there is reputed to be the highest tui and kereru populations of any urban area in New Zealand. However, the sex ratio has altered in the last few years to strongly favour older males of both species so expect an imminent collapse over the next few years. Rainforest habitat and migration corridors are very favourable, but still the decline, and no whitehead, robin or tomtit. Kereru hold on because they have learned to avoid the ground and tui are pugnacious enough to round on a cat if the urge takes them. Urban rodent and mustelid numbers are high, but so are cats. Every household seems to have at least two which are free to roam and I have seen as many as twenty per household. Cats in Pukekura and Brooklands Parks are commonly seen, most likely domestic or strays because they seem quite healthy and well looked after. High cat numbers does not necessarily equate to low rodent and mustelid numbers.
      The person baiting and trapping needs to get smarter in how it is carried out. I achieved outstanding results in Bushy Park while I was doing it – much better than the legion of stray cats in the reserve managed to achieve. One needs to first determine where the rodent problems are and their pattern of daily migration. They have a surprisingly short range, but miss where they are and it is easy to misconclude that rodent numbers are down.

  • Toni

    This page is only against cats! has the author thought of how cars, dogs, and general human activity is also a huge factor in the death of birds(natives or not) in New Zealand! Also the forests being cut down in some areas are ruining the natural habitat as well which again will be increasing the number of deaths in the bird population. So why the huge need to ‘control’ cats in New Zealand when its only one of the issues and not a major one.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Yes, of course, but the only reason we can’t do something about one of the factors in their decline is because of human attitudes. Someone told me on this site about Riccarton Bush in Christchurch (quite a small reserve as reserves go) and how the native bird life has begun to return after a predator-proof enclosure was built around it. If we can keep predators out, things will improve, habitat loss, road kills, etc notwithstanding. Unfortunately, predation by cats IS a major issue, in urban and urban fringe areas especially because of our high cat ownership in New Zealand. The only reason cats don’t kill native birds in many urban areas is because they have mostly been wiped out, for some of the reasons you mentioned.

  • Paul

    Pussy-cat
    What are vices?
    Catching rats
    And eating mices!
    (by spike Milligan)

    you were one of the funniest men on earth. RIP :(
    I wish I could have told you the sad story of the Lyall’s wren

  • http://www.facebook.com/Fairygyrl Angela Keene

    for the guy who is doing this are you a freaking idiot???? You should be euthanized in my opinion. Cat’s are natural hunters. it is in their instinct to kill such things as birds and mice and rats. Wow just wow. you truly are an idiot. I have always owned cats and mine always stay indoor and have never killed anything but a stuffed rat that is a cat toy i bought. wow you know nothing about cats. freaking idiot.

    • Paul

      Your opinion, Angela, is meaningless and counts for diddly-squat when its so ill-informed as it clearly is.
      Just because you keep your cats indoors ,which is most admirable,……….. does not mean everyone else does.
      Of course cats are natural hunters. Do you think we aren’t aware of that fact?…. read the info on this website.

      Cats ,both domestic and feral have helped kill off many species of native bird already. They wont stop there. NZ native animals of all kinds have shown no or little ability to withstand the impact of their introduction. If you can perform a miracle and get every cat owner to be as responsible as yourself…we are onto a winner.
      And whose an idiot? …well that’s purely subjective opinion . Cats contributing to the killing and destroying NZ’s native species is a fact.

  • Guest

    I tend to agree with Morgan on releasing back into the wild, can’t see the point. Spend the de-sexing money on euthanasing them instead. However, before we go too far, why don’t we impose a cat curfew first and see what effect that has. I’ve been doing this with my own cat for many years and feel confident it is of benefit. If you want to stop cats roaming you will need a law change. Currently it is unlawful for dogs to roam but not cats. I will never support the eradication of cats so you have lost points with me on that one Gareth Morgan.

    • Martin Nicholls

      Checked the temperatures around the country lately? I cook with the windows shut, but if I don’t do that Caspar (my white cat) simply jumps out. Unless we design our homes completely differently, the cat curfew argument is a non-starter. I have to shut my puss in the bathroom with a litter box – something he hates!
      Regarding the curfew, some argue that it is best to keep them indoors during the DAY, when active bird and reptile numbers (apart from many gecko species) are highest. Others argue for a night curfew. Research is needed. Dawn and dusk are vulnerable times for many of our ground-feeding birds like robin.

    • Xavier Payne

      Thanks, New Zealand needs more cat owners like yourself who are willing to accept that cat control legislation is necessary and important. Thanks too for having the sense to keep your cat in at night. Indeed that is a wonderful thing to do. And of course, it is a no-brainer — obviously one does not release stray cats back into our already threatened environment as the nutty SPCA is doing. (The Department of Conservation is also strongly opposed to this practice) Keeping in mind the big environmental and social picture, euthanasia is the only loving thing to do.

  • Gavin

    Our cat lives inside and only goes outside with us on a lead. Your site says she kills 65 critters per year… does that mean there are birds / rats etc in our house? If so, I’ve never seen them. Or perhaps you’re referring to the moths and flies that she eats? We’d kill those anyway.

    • Uschi

      So your cat is not representative of most cats!
      Dont worry…there will be another cat somewhere that makes up for it’s failings.

    • Xavier Payne

      Gavin, on behalf of all the wildlife in New Zealand and all the people who suffer because of free-roaming cats, I would like to thank you for having the wisdom and compassion to keep your cat INSIDE and for using a leash when taking it outside. If more people were as thoughtful and considerate as you, we would not have such a cat problem in this beautiful country. Congratulations on your responsible cat ownership. I wish you would continue to contribute to this discussion and explain to other cat owners the reasons and logic behind your approach to cat care.

  • Daniel

    Problem is that cats are very much part of the ecosystem here now. Simply saying you can remove one animal with no consequences is ridiculous, although I will allow if NZ had NO populations at all this would be a different situation. if you took them out now completely no amount of poison and traps would keep the rats and mice away.

    You argue that we have traps for mice and rats, I doubt extremely highly that these are anywhere near as effective a measure or deterrent as cats have proven to be. As well as Native Birds cats also kill Stoats, Rabbits and Rats. This isn’t NZ pre European days ….in fact our species were doomed before that… This is NZ pre Maori days.

    WOW off topic a bit there – Sorry.

    Anyway just wanted to say you have gone about this entirely wrong and your spokesman (while no one would too harshly judge his luck and skills regards money) seemingly slightly simple and has gone straight for the BAN and vilify cats which are seemingly no more evil than dolphins which kill other marine animals babies for sport…. maybe we should ban them next?

    Easier than this would have been to make it ILLEGAL to breed cats, you can only purchase from approved breeders, all cats are sold sterile and microchipped, make it law to have all cats collared with a bell (which is only effective 40% of the time?? hell of a lot better than never). Take feral cats out of the equation and bell the rest and you must surely have a huge reduction in the kill rate. I believe many areas already ban cats anyway so it wouldn’t be hard to expand this a bit. In short Morgan came straight out and said BAN ALL CATS and everyone stopped listening….. Good one guys!

    • Martin Nicholls

      Proven to be? Every study I have seen indicates that the prowess of cats as rodent hunters is extremely overstated. They are opportunist hunters and will take the prey that is easiest to catch. If you have ever observed the habits of robin when foraging among the leaf litter for worms and insects you would notice that it makes them highly vulnerable to cat predation. Robin especially like to feed in the evenings and early mornings when cats also like to prowl. Kaka and tieke are also extremely vulnerable to cat predation, kaka because their chicks have a flightless stage on the ground just prior to fledging and tieke because they spend a lot of time on the ground anyway and even sleep there. Kakapo on Stewart Island was rendered almost extinct because of cats, the evidence that cats were responsible determined from the pattern of kills. The species was saved (so far) at the last minute by the birds’ translocation to Codfish island, but they remain critically endangered.

      Cats are not the only species responsible for loss of biodiversity, of course, but they are right up there with the worst, and their size and appetite makes them especially problematic for large birds like weka and kiwi.

      All the time cats are present in considerable numbers in natural areas (like parts of eastern Taranaki), rat numbers are still very high which suggests their role in the control of rodents is miniscule. During ‘mast’ years when beech produces abundant seed, rodent numbers increase enough to attract the attention of cats and mustelids and their numbers also increase. When the masting finishes and rodent numbers crash, this is when predation on vulnerable native birds is at its greatest and species like mohoua and orange-fronted parakeet can become locally extinct, the losses accumulating with each mast event. Far from being beneficial, cats and mustelids are very much a part of the problem and prefer to prey on vulnerable and naive native birds anyway, species that knew few ground predators before man and his mammals arrived.

      So it is vital that trapping and killing operations look at the whole predator guild equation and not rely on one introduced species to do the work. In the Nineteenth Century we thought this would work with ferrets and stoats and this was a tragic error of judgement. The same argument used to justify any positive role of cats is similarly false. As it turns out, the worst species at the end of the food chain (rats) are controlled with varying success by poisoning and, if eaten soon after death by a predator and depending on the poison used, useful secondary kills can occur. For maximum success, full cooperation by neighbouring landowners is necessary with them baiting as well, but this is unlikely from cat owners, especially when they are more than happy for their cats to stray into protected areas.

  • Daniel
  • Greg Mills

    I think Mr Morgan is more interested in protecting New Zealands rat population. Why not stop beating around the bush and rename this all a “Save the Rat” exercise?
    Interestingly and judging by appearance and nature I would suggest that Gareth Morgan may have been a rat in a previous life and therefore has a vested interest in their safety. You don’t like cheese by any chance do you Gareth? Ever wondered why?
    I have no idea what Geoff Simmonds looks like but I’m picking a sock. Our cats both like killing socks too.

    • Xavier Payne

      Greg, about cats and rats. Read any research on the subject and you will learn that cats rarely take on proper full-sized rats. Cats prefer easy defenseless prey (except my neighbour’s vicous cat which taunts and attacks small dogs and recently tore one’s ear off). As for mice, I suspect that some sort of mouse phobia infected New Zealand society somewhere along the (rural) way, similar to mass snake phobias in some parts of Africa, which may explain why the per capita rate of cat ownership is several times higher than any other country. There is this myth going around here that, without cats, mice populations would explode in an Alfred Hitchcock sort of way (“The Mice are Coming”), but research shows very clearly that, when cat populations are reduced in an area, there is NO significant increase in mice population. The population of mice rises and falls very quickly depending on food source availability, and cats, even though mice is often on their kill list, make virtually no difference to the mouse population. One woman recently defended her killer cat by saying that it saved her infant child from an approaching spider. Wake up, people!!! Cats are NOT our protectors or saviors. They are destroying our wildlife and creating a major nuisance to all the rest of us who are not suffering from cat phobias or delusions.

  • Martin Nicholls

    Say, I have yet to have a response from either the pro and anti cat factions about my suggestion for the breeding and raising of certain native animals as companion pets.
    I wish to state from the outset that I am not advocating poaching wild stock and I loathe those that would do so. Nor am I advocating an unregulated, free-for-all involving the breeding and sale of nice to have species whose needs and habitats have been poorly considered.
    Most conservationists, such as members of Forest and Bird, are vehemently opposed to this idea for reasons of the introduction and spread of pests and diseases into the wild, the risk of poaching wild stock, inappropriate diet and by inbreeding and the creation of genetic bottlenecks.
    While realistic concerns, none are insurmountable and may be overcome with some strict regulations and controls, but also by releasing the regulatory throttle a little. As for inbreeding, zoos have captive breeding programmes and closely monitor genetic stock for breeding and translocations, as well as regular health checks of animals for diseases. Most wild populations of endangered or seriously declining native species are at risk of genetic bottlenecks already due to low breeding numbers. Robin is a well known example of this.
    I am not one for cages and aviaries of any kind, unless they are very large, because I have observed some psychotic behaviour in many caged birds. What I am advocating is those native birds that are highly intelligent and can bond with us as companions – for example, the nestor parrots like kea and kaka, as well as weka. In the early days, kakapo were kept as pets and by all accounts they were fantastic in the role. Sirocco has become a de facto pet and has become socialised among humans since his value for breeding has gone.
    Now our eastern karerea (falcon) has extended his majesty as one of the most amazing winged athletes in the world to a successful role as bird scarer in Marlborough vineyards. By all accounts this project is doing wonders to keep pest birds at bay and our splendid bird is beginning to forge a new reputation as a working companion of man, albeit still aloof and wild (probably and historically, the first native animal to do so). Hopefully this will mean fewer people will set about shooting them for no justified reason as they are still doing with the endangered North island bush falcon.
    When I was a teenager I had a pet kea and he was never caged, free to come and go as he pleased and (I guess because I raised him from a lone and young orphan chick) he identified me and other humans as part of his flock. He was a real character, highly intelligent and the most amazing and loveable (albeit a tad destructive) animal friend I have ever had, and I have kept a number of cats over the years.
    However, it is wise to fully understand the habits and psychology of each species before raising them as pets because to not understand their needs is to be cruel. My kea died when I had to go away and leave him with friends for a time because he pined to death. Had he had kea companions I’m convinced this would not have happened.
    Having a law change that extends the keeping of native birds and reptiles beyond registered kakariki breeders might be a great way of filling the companion animal void if cats were to be widely banned. I know I would rather have a pet kea or kaka any day. It is almost as if they want to adopt us given their behaviour, intelligence and fearlessness. It would also be a way of boosting numbers and providing a real alternative to having introduced predatory mammals as pets.
    As for reptiles, I used to keep many skinks and geckos as pets before it became illegal to do so and I bred them for friends. This way there was no need to poach them from the wild. They were easy to raise and keep. There are registered reptile breeders around and the rules that apply to them might be extended, as well as understanding their genetics better to know where to release their progeny back into protected habitats should this become necessary.
    Please give this suggestion some serious thought, people. if Australia can allow this to happen, why can’t we?
    For species such as robin and tieke, many more fenced mainland islands close to urban areas (places like Zealandia) would do a great job of allowing many more people to appreciate these amazing and tuneful birds. They need not be huge areas or even average size. At present such places are too few and too scattered, most in rural locations. Their proliferation may also bring a new understanding and appreciation for our native flora and fauna. But they are very expensive to create and maintain and ultimately whole pest free regions, as advocated by Gareth and the late Sir paul Callaghan, are the crazy ideal aspiration. I believe my ideas on native pets would be a valuable interim first step to this end.

  • http://twitter.com/LorraineSears LorraineSears

    get a life you stupid man. dont come to the UK please we have enough rubbish on our streets

    • Uschi

      If Gareth goes over to the UK, I hope he dumps our million plus cats in your backyard …………and see how you like it.
      I don’t like them here. One in three ‘kiwis’ dont like them here . The native birds dont like them here. The native lizards dont like them here .The native frogs dont like them here.The native insects dont like them here.The native bats dont like them here.
      Stock up on chicken giblets Lorraine.

  • Nick

    I’m wondering if Gareth would be interested in a new business venture…

    The new company will raise cats and sell them to the SPCA for $2.50.

    Seriously though, Gareth has a good point. Cats do do an awful lot of damage to our urban wildlife.

    What I don’t understand is why officials and even a large portion of our citizenry seems to think micro-chipping anything is an answer. I hope they realise the microchip does not actually do anything to modify and animals behaviour. A micro-chipped animal is not a cyborg. All it does is support the animal micro chipping industry and local council bureaucratic machine.

    Doing what the SPCA is advocating just results in hunting packs of natural born killer unichs stalking the urban jungle.

    • Xavier Payne

      Nick, you are right, microchipping does not deal directly with New Zealand’s killer cat plague, but as someone at DOC said to me, very importantly it makes cat ownership more EXPENSIVE which is a useful deterrent. So too does mandatory registration, vaccination, etc act as a deterrent. He said that the best we can probably do in the current cat crazy environment of NZ would be to make cat ownership so expensive that the number of cats gradually declines. However, I’d like to think that we can do better than that for the wildlife of this country.

  • http://www.facebook.com/zionkat.comics Zionkat NZ

    Apart from creating a lot of ill feeling towards Dr. Morgan, what have you people managed to accomplish?
    From the PM down, his ideas are considered idiotic by most New Zealanders. With no chance in reality of these ideas ever being implemented, what is he managing to do but spread hate? Dr. Morgan is now perceived by the community as a narcissistic nut, similar to Brian Tamaki on his media crusade against the gay community. When profits slowed Tamaki kept his hate to himself. Maybe Morgan will do the same.
    It is interesting to see a semi-public figure lose his public goodwill in less than a fortnight. Obviously, his credibility as a source of any kind of advice decreases with every word published in the media.
    But the hate really bothers me. Our communities are ravaged by hate, and the violent manifestations of hate. Regardless of Dr. Morgan’s perception of his own motivations, hate breeds nothing but more hate. As Dr. Morgan’s follower, where do you think this is taking you?

    • Paul

      For someone who dislikes ‘hate’ you seem to use the word frequently. As if referring ‘hate’ to Dr Morgan yourself, by proxy. Capitalizing on a mob mentality ,which cat lobbyists seem capable of exhibiting to the extreme, and reminding the protagonists of cat control they’re going to be ‘hanged’ if they persist.
      Personally, deep down I think you’re worried…because you know valid points for discussion are being raised on one side and sadly little rational response can be offered on the other side.
      “I love my pussycat”..seems to be the only argument that holds weight.
      John Key made a mildly funny joke in parliament about cats in Gareths’ back yard, feeling unwanted. haha. So all John Key did was to hang his coat in the wind with this issue….and milk it for all it’s worth . John Key is very busy trying sort out NZ’s economic woes no doubt and is also ignorant of the facts.

      But ‘you’ should know better . Cat person are you? See it not as a personal attack on your precious rights but as a worthy discussion for the ongoing protection of our environment. Read what Martin Nicholls, Xavier have said below in different posts. You may be shocked. Their agenda in this case is for a greater good. There is no hate anywhere.

      The PM hung his coat in the wind of ill-informed sentiment on this one…..it was funny at first….But winds change and people too.

  • cats deserve to live

    Humans have and remain the largest contributor to the extinction of endangered animals in new zealand. Its ridiculous that an Economist and investment manager who has built and therefore aided in the destruction of habits can sit there and blame a cat, you mr morgan have aided in more destruction than any cat, and therefore should remain quiet your the director or share holder in over 60 businesses chewing into animals habitats !!!

    • Paul

      Its tough I know but …..Gareth, ..even you, and me …and all Humans…share a moral responsibility for the wrongs of the past surely….
      We’re indeed ‘number one’ on the list of destroyers of the environment as you point out. 10/10 for you

      So how do we address that reality then?

      You seem to say….. ”do nothing”.

      Is it just more hate. More Gareth envy?
      And what is your solution? Are you happy for cats to be treated above all other predators…to be exonerated killers of NZ’s native species. Destroyers of local populations of animals. An obstacle to their recovery? Well?

  • Nogi Head

    … @ one time when kids were younger, there were stray cats coming into our property, we fed them bcos da children feel sorry for them…..but then more started appearing & before we know it, we had 12 cats under our feeding routine! … we were only able to “fix 5!” … it costs too much & there is no guarantee what use are they for? … 3 permanently stayed, the rest in & out, we cannot domesticate them! … but then cats were everwhere in our place (our neighbour do not like them & i dont blame them): the smell outside our home was “disgusting”….we bought powdered pepper & sprayed @ various places in our garden & @ corners, it does not work!! (getting to the stage where we got annoyed etc … dogs started to appear @ our driveway & may have something to do with cats not as many as before…..eventually our ‘pet cat’ as usual lazying around to the likes of the dogs, got mauled & died. Swear to never to have any cats, it also cost us “cat food shopping & vet bills”. Register them cats, Gareth Morgan have a good offer there for you SPCA, good luck, cats so cute but it’s more to cats than meets the eye! (Nogi Head)

  • doug watson

    i have a lot of sympathy with this campaign – there are
    far too many cats around. however the solution may be simpler than so far
    suggested. my sister has a lurcher cross – called dexter – who has a
    pathological hatred of cats – so far he has killed 6 outright (with a number of
    maimings) to my sisters knowledge – but in reality it must be many many more.
    the latest was one who passed through ‘his’ back garden which he tore to pieces.
    he is not violent to people by the way – or other dogs – just any other living
    species and especially cats. so gareth, the answer could lie in dexters dna.

    • Xavier Payne

      Thanks, Doug. At the core of the cat plague is the fact that cats here in New Zealand have no predators. If we had lots of golden eagles flying overhead, for example, the situation would be much different. Tell Dexter for us that he is doing his part in trying to restore some ecological balance to this wayward country.

  • Paul

    My question is as follows;

    Bob Kerridge of the SPCA believes domestic cats are above controls placed upon other introduced predators, by the virtue of their unique status as ”family members”. Some people would say dogs are ‘family members’…yet the SPCA has not spoken against them being registered and controlled, or asked that dogs be left to ‘do what dogs do’…roaming in packs for example, hunting and killing sheep.
    The only conclusion any reasoned person could make from Mr Kerridge’s statement is that cats are somehow ‘honorary humans’ in his mind.
    If this is true. Should not cats be subject to the wildlife act of 1953 which endeavours to protect native species from senseless and deliberate destruction?

  • Xavier Payne

    The SPCA is a dangerous organisation that is playing an active role in the destruction of New Zealand’s wildlife, while also adding to the nisance, disease, and social costs caused by their reckless approach to cats. The SPCA shouldn’t even refer to itsself as a service that acts to prevent cruelty to ‘animals’. In their narrow vision, an ‘animal’ is a PET, and that is the extent of it. They have absolutely ZERO interest or regard for animals beyond pets and they couldn’t care less about all the abuse, torture, and sadistic cruelty that their thousands of released cats do to birds and other wildlife. They should re-name themselves Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Pets. Cats are the cruelest of all living creatures (okay, besides humans!!) and it is sickening the way that cats subject their many victims to slow and merciless torture, keeping them alive as long as possible as they partially devour them, but often just ‘play’ with them until they die. If anyone did the same thing to any of their beloved ‘family members’ (i.e., cats), they would be up in arms and go for your throat. I’ve had endless conversations by phone with the SPCA over the years and, every time, they show the most callous sort of indifference to the cruelty of cats and the way in which they are destroying our wildlife. As for Bob Kerride, the head of the Auckland SPCA, it’s hard to take the guy seriously. He is so far out of it. On TV3 Campbell Live he argued for the continued royalty treatment of cats in saying that every New Zealander has the right to companionship. Judging by the fact that we have several times more cats per capita than any other country, if he is right, we must be the loneliest nation in the world.

  • Trevis

    I agree your points. However, it’s not the cat’s fault. It is the humans’ fault. Human brought the mice and cats crossed over the sea.

    • Uschi

      It’s not the cats fault ,in a human sense of the word ,but surely the issue is not one of fault but the consequences of their introduction and how it can be dealt with..
      Humans brought so humans can take away.

      • Xavier Payne

        Thanks, Uschi. You’re absolutely right. Humans caused the cat plague that is destroying New Zealand’s wildlife, so it’s our moral duty to find solutions for the mess we have caused. One doesn’t simply turn a blind eye to a crisis such as our disastrous cat plague because we caused it. On the contrary, we go out of our way to deal with it BECAUSE we caused it.

  • Fer

    I can’t believe a guy who loves nature would agree to KILL certain species. This is only explained by ignorance. He is against the laws of nature, not only but trying to convince people to kill their cats, but for not understanding the food chain and insticts. Shame on you, monster. And I am SURE you ALREADY KILL EVERY CAT YOU CAN, BECAUSE YOU HATE THEM SO MUCH. This site should be banned, but if you are rich, laws don’t apply to you.

    • Xavier Payne

      Wow, all I can say, Fer, is that you just don’t get it. Your vision is too small. You don’t see the big picture. The wonderful people behind Catstogo have a deep and passionate love for the wildlife of this beautiful country and the welfare and preservation of its native creatures. They do not allow a selfish fetish for cats to blind them to the extreme crisis facing our natural world that has been brought about by introduced cats who have no place in this ecosystem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.adams.56232 Elizabeth Adams

    is this ‘Ask a Question? or ‘Have your say’?

    I think that there is a real need for a cat-proof fence as there are a lot of responsible cat owners who would love to contain their pets, but really struggle. I saw one US owner’s solution which was to fit a split plastic pipe to the top or horizontal rail of a tall timber fence which the owner’s cats couldn’t grip on to, and that had apparently kept these cats in the garden for several years with no escapes; I guess it would help if you treated the pipe with silicone spray to make it nice and slippery. In addition to the pipe they had also drilled some ‘peep-holes’ at cat level so that the cats could see out & the cats spent considerable time with one eye ‘glued’ to the hole. I don’t think the pest-proof fences on the market for restoration projects are a solution for gardens.

    As I understand it, recent conservation psychology research shows that it is the proximity to animals and caring for them, i.e. pet ownership, that creates the empathy and caring for animals in general, conservation, etc., and so a ban on cats would have negative effects for conservation in the future.

    (Conservation Psychology: Understanding and Promoting Human Care for Nature by Susan Clayton and Gene Myers (Apr 20, 2009)

    • Xavier Payne

      Elizabeth, thanks so much for the slippery pipe and ‘peep hole’ suggestions to save some wildlife from cats. I wish you would continue to participate in this discussion and add further ideas. We here in NZ are still in the Middle Ages when it comes to the management of cats, and it will probably takes generations for any real action to happen, but in the meantime we need to get all the useful techniques we can in our environmental war against cats. I had a chuckle at your pipe and peep-hole strategies because I’ve tried everything and every contraption under the sun to try to keep cats from killing birds and other NZ wildlife. As for the notion that pet ownership is a useful vehicle by which to teach empathy, well, I appreciate what yhou’re saying, and I too am someone with an active interest in the teaching of empathy and compassion as well as responsible citizenship, But one simply does not use cats as an empathy teaching device because they are too destructive to the environment and our native natural heritage. I’m not a big fan of pets in general since a high proportion of them suffer neglect or incompetence at the hands of their ‘owners’, but I’m sure that some pets can serve to teach the empathy that is so valuable in a society that is becoming increasingly narcissistic, alienated, and detachted from nature.

  • Xavier Payne

    New Zealand is far behind the rest of the world in taking ACTION to deal with the cat plague that is destroying our wildlife, causing endless nuisance, spreading disease, and ruining the peace of mind of many of our people. SO WHAT CAN WE HERE IN NEW ZEALAND DO ABOUT OUR CAT PROBLEM?

    I’d like to begin featuring various places around the world that have had the wisdom and foresight to tackle the destructive free-roaming cat problem in successful ways. The list is long and growing of such cities and towns, and I will pick some at random.

    Let’s start with AURORA, COLORODO.

    In Aurora (population 332,000 — very similar to Christchurch)

    1) Cats must be confined to their owner’s property or physically restrained when off the premises. No cats are allowed to roam free, ever. Penalties of up to $1000 or 18 months in jail, or both, apply.

    2) There is mandatory spay/neuter of all cats over six months of age, unless owner purchases annual intact permit and/or breeders permit. Medical exemptions can be offered.

    3) All cats are required by law to be licensed and vaccinated against rabies;

    Below is a link to the website by the city of Aurora that describes the details of their outstanding and highly successful efforts to deal with their cat problem. I’ve also included below the introduction that they give which provides a rational for what they and many similar cities and towns are doing about cats: But please read the entire website. Here’s the link:
    http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/materials/aurora_law.pdf

    INTRODUCTION FROM THEIR WEBSITE

    Historically, dogs, but not cats, have been covered by local animal
    control ordinances. Although cats are increasingly the pet of choice,
    millions are still euthanized by animal care and control facilities
    each year. Unfortunately, too many people fail to spay or neuter
    their cats or keep them indoors, and some people cruelly abandon
    cats they can no longer care for. Cats that roam free, whether owned, stray, or feral, often lead short, traumatic, and painful lives. They also kill birds and other wildlife, and spread disease to other cats, wildlife, and humans. For these reasons, communities increasingly recognize the importance of extending responsible pet requirements to cover cats as well. Cat licensing, control and restraint ordinances help ensure that cats receive the care and protection they deserve.

  • Xavier Payne

    Let’s look at the Sherbroke, Victoria in Australia.

    In 1992, Australia’s first cat registration and night curfew was introduced in Sherbroke. Being a resounding success, several proposed bills and ordinances covering “companion animals” and “feral and nuisance animals” have been enacted or are under consideration in the state of Victoria.

    In Sherbroke:

    A night time CURFEW applies. Any cats found outdoors after curfew are seized, and fines imposed on the owners.

    Councils are empowered to ban cats from premises or areas in the municipality.

    Cats found in cat-free zones are impounded, desexed or killed.

    Sherbroke has mandatory cat registration; and owners having to inform the council of changes of address.

    Also, mandatory breeder registration; with councils being allowed to refuse registration renewals.

    All cats in Sherbroke are required to wear identification markers.

    Well done, Sherbroke!!!!

    Come on, New Zealand, wake up!!!!!

  • Xavier Payne

    “Historically, dogs, but not cats, have been covered by local animal
    control ordinances. Although cats are increasingly the pet of choice,
    millions are still euthanized by animal care and control facilities
    each year. Unfortunately, too many people fail to spay or neuter
    their cats or keep them indoors, and some people cruelly abandon
    cats they can no longer care for. Cats that roam free, whether owned, stray, or feral, often lead short, traumatic, and painful lives. They also kill birds and other wildlife, and spread disease to other cats, wildlife, and humans. For these reasons, communities increasingly recognize the importance of extending responsible pet requirements to cover cats as well. Cat licensing, control and restraint ordinances help ensure that cats receive the care and protection they deserve.”

    The above is from the city of Aurora, Colorado website which gives the reason why they have introduced strict cat control measures in their city.

  • Xavier Payne

    Let’s look at Boulder, Colorado:

    In Boulder:

    1) Cats must also be restrained from creating a nuisance by leaving feces or damaging the property of another.

    2) All cats must be vaccinated against rabies beginning at three months of age.

    3) If a cat is causing a nuisance by defecating or destroying property, a property owner has the legal right to remove the cat from their property and bring it to the local animal shelter. The owner may be charged with owning a nuisance cat. Impound and board fees apply to impounded cats.

    4) Unlike New Zealand, cat owners in Boulder are subject to strict liability laws. Cat owners are liable even when there is no proof of negligence or intent. The owner is responsible for their cat’s actions regardless of the circumstances, accidental or otherwise. If a cat damages or fouls someone’s property, or causes injury of any sort, the strict liability law holds the cat owner legally responsible, and includes all costs and damages incurred.
    Well done, Boulder, Colorado. Wake up, New Zealand ! ! !

  • Xavier Payne

    Here’s what they’re doing in Geelong, Victoria, Australia to combat the cat problem:

    In 2010, the city of Greater Geelong (pop. 220,000) put in place a comprehensive Domestic Animals Management Plan. As part of this:

    1) Cats are subject to a night time CURFEW. By law, cats must be confined in the house or garage between sunset and sunrise.

    2) Cat owners are subject to prosecution and fines if their cat trespasses on private property or causes nuisance by defecating in gardens, fighting, making noise or attacking wildlife.

    3) If Council can identify that you are the owner of a cat that has been
    captured on some else’s property, Council serves a notice on the cat owner objecting to the presence of your cat on private property. If the cat enters or remains on the private property after the notice,
    Council takes further action by issuing an Infringement Notice or having the matter heard before the Magistrates’ Court.

    4) In Geelong, as in the entire state of Victoria, cats aged three months must be registered and microchipped.
    In order to keep cats on the owner’s property, the Domestic Animals Management Plan recommends to cats owners that they employ the following:

    Cat proof fences

    Fence extensions – erected entirely on your side of the fence – are a
    simple and effective way to prevent your cat from jumping over your fence.

    Cat enclosures

    Cat enclosures can be attached to an existing structure, such as a patio
    or fence, or free standing.

    Cats prefer to exercise by stretching, jumping and climbing rather than
    running long distances, so elevation is more important than floor space. Try to cater for this requirement with accessories like pet houses, catwalks, climbing poles, scratching posts, steps, ramps and hammocks.

  • disqus_TfIwYd8Vqt

    I’m pretty sure humans are the main perpetrator in ecological destruction. KILL ALL THE HUMANS!

    • Paul

      Correct on the first statement . So more reason to fix the damage done don’t your agree..?
      On your second statement…well, they tried that idea in Jonestown back in the seventies and now the place is just riddled with cats and no one to control them. Fail.!

  • Xavier Payne

    Here’s what they did in AKRON, OHIO to deal with the cat problem.

    In June, 2002, Akron’s Animal Control Ordinance was amended to include cats as well as dogs.
    Akron’s “cat ordinance” requires cat owners to confine their cats at ALL times and to physically restrain them if taken off the owner’s premises.
    In the words of the ordinance, it is illegal for cats to be “off the premises of the owner and not under restraint by leash, cord, wire, strap, chain, or similar device or fence or secure enclosure adequate to contain the animal.”
    In addition, it became the duty of Akron’s Animal Control Wardens to “apprehend” and “impound” any cats “running at large.”
    Cat owners receive fines and penalties for breaking this law.
    Well done, Akron. Wake up, New Zealand!!!!!

  • Xavier Payne

    Here’s what law makers did in Montgomery County (just north of Washington DC), Maryland (USA) to deal with the cat problem:

    In Montgomery County (pop. 990,000):

    1) A cat owner must not allow their cat(s) to enter private property without the property owner’s permission.
    Penalty for Violation – $100

    2) There is an Animal Defecation Law that applies to cats as well as dogs. According to this highly popular “pooper scooper” law, a cat owner must not allow their cat(s) to damage or defecate on property outside of the owner’s property. A cat may defecate on public property or the common area of property in which the owner shares an interest if the owner immediately removes and disposes of the feces by a sanitary method approved by the Director. Feces are to be up in a plastic bag. If this bag is placed inside another plastic bag, it may be put out for disposal in the normal household trash.
    Penalty for Violation – $100

    3) The county’s Animal Noise Code applies to cats as well as dogs. Thus, a cat owner must not allow their cat(s) to cause noise that is loud enough and persistent enough to disturb another person’s ‘quiet enjoyment’ or sleep. Under this Code, cat owner’s whose cats fight at night would be prosecuted.
    Penalty for Violation – $100

    4) All cats 4 months of age or older must have a current County License and rabies vaccination. The rabies tag provided by the owner’s veterinarian does NOT constitute a County license — the license must be purchased separately.
    Penalty for Violation of vaccination laws – $500
    Penalty for Violation of licensing laws – $100

    5) An owner must not allow a female cat in heat to be outside a building or other secure enclosure that prevents attraction of other animals.
    Penalty for Violation – $100

    • Paul

      great if CHCH was a sister city with these guys.

      In a recent news letter linked below Doc stated it respected, and was sensitive to the ‘rights of cat owners whilst also recognizing simultaneously cats as a threat to native wildlife. Little bit of conflict going on there I feel. I wrote to Doc this week asking could they please explain what the ‘rights of cat owners’ are in fact as I and many others don’t know…and how can I protect my property from roaming predatory cats both feral and domestic and am awaiting a reply hopefully.
      You might like to do the same Xavier.
      I spoke of this letter to the head of our local SPCA and she too thought it would helpful for someone to define those rights for them as well. As she put it…..”dogs have owners…cats have staff”

      http://www.doc.govt.nz/about-doc/news/issues/cats-to-go-campaign/

      • Xavier Payne

        Thanks Paul for reminding us of the bizarre ambivalence that DOC has about cat control. Several times over the past few years I’ve phoned them in the hopes that they would be sympathetic to the extreme cat problems here in Christchurch and the whole of New Zealand. I never had a bit of help and each time they put me off by saying that the cat problem is too entrenced to even think about a solution, at least at this point in time. My overarching impression is that DOC is a rigid and ultra conservative organisation, driven primarily by political expediency and political correctness. They play it safe at all times and avoid taking a stand for fear of public backlash. They do a certain amount of cat and pest trapping on conservation land but, as I was told, they do not have any authority outside of conservation lands, so they use that as an excuse not to speak out on wider social policy. I eventually found one person in DOC who would listen to me but that person said that meaningful cat control was “a bridge too far” in the current political/social climate. In fairness, I think that quite a few of DOC’s staff would like to see some serious cat control legislation, but the culture that has evolved within DOC has rendered it cowardly and toothless. As for the ‘rights of cat owners,’ yes, I can’t wait to see what DOC comes up with. I’ll be interesting if cat owners actually have the “right” to send their cats into my yard and crap the place up every night as they do now, and keep me up at night with their fighting, and kill the few remaining native birds in this part of the city. Anyway Paul, I too will keep nagging away at DOC, but I don’t expect anything whatsoever from them. Until they and NZ society as a whole wake up to the hideous truth about cats, I foresee more and more anti-cat vigilante groups forming and taking action into their own hands. At present, there is NO organisation, institution, or political body in NZ that can serve as a springboard for the cat control that is long overdue here. That said, Gareth Morgans Catstogo is a much needed spark to draw awareness to the issue.
        Keep up the great work, Paul. I always enjoy hearing your comments.

        • Paul

          I have had a rather predictable and lame initial reply from a DOC biodiversity head v.v my request for information on who owns a cat etc….so have intensified things quite a bit now …providing evidence of my claims against SPCA and the fact that DOCs own staff knowingly kill urban domestic cats themselves while at the same time saying they respect the ‘mysterious’ rights of cat owners. And expect it will have to be taken higher level. Hope so.

          I actually believe they may be behind the eight ball on the issues Ive raised and await their responses.
          I certainly wont give up until they stop being so ambivalent and demonstrate whose side of the fence they are truly on.
          Last year a person working in pest destruction for the wellington regional council told me he had personally killed about 250 cats in the last 10 years …most of which were domestic (many with flea collars)….that had roamed into traps in rural areas. And yet he said they ”still keep coming”.

  • Xavier Payne

    It turns out that cats are a problem not only as destroyers of wildlife, peace of mind, privacy, and gardens. Growing health concerns are another reason that more and more cities/towns around the world are imposing strict controls on cats. Recent research has shown that cats are the primary carrier of the T. Gondii virus, which can lead to a condition in humans known as taxoplasmosis which affects mental health as well as physical health. Here’s a brief video summarising this research. Cat owners are especially advised to watch this because they are more at risk, even from the cat litter box. The video has an interesting segment on the history of cat ownership and the way in which cats (via the T. Gondii virus) may have brought about the rising rate of schizophrenia over the past 150 or so years. Try to ignore the presenter’s mustache, if possible. I suspect that, as we get to know the disease-spreading aspect of cats, health professionals will be leading the call for drastic action on the cat control front. In this regard, I’d like to see the Department of Health get involved in this discussion, not only in the hopes of combating the spread of the T. Gondii virus, but also the disease properties of cat feces that are in everyone’s yard. Here’s the link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyj-fRgDYqU

  • Xavier Payne

    The paragraph below is from the “Centre for Companion Animals in the Community” in Australia. Even though cat lovers, they too see the great advantage of confining cats. Cat confinement is being adopted by cities/towns across Australia, with positive results for cats and people:

    “Confinement of cats can create positive welfare benefits for felines, advantages for the owner and their neighbours. Cats unable to wander are not hit by cars, attacked by dogs, tormented by humans, injured in cat fights or by other means. Neither do they kill other animals, toilet in gardens or sandpits, pick up infectious disease or “caterwaul” at night when mating or fighting.”

  • sam

    r u crazy my friends cat saved her life wen a robber came and invaded her house the cat attacked the robber i hav a cat myself and im not doin anything u say im actually getting another cat so yea!!!!!!!!

    • Paul

      When the time comes ,I recommend your replacement cat is a new breed called a ‘Gareth Morgan Munchkin’. It’s a sweet-natured, playful, people-oriented cat which comes ready micro-chipped, neutered, vaccinated ,house trained, loves indoors , has no claws or teeth …..and legs are far too short to chase birds .

      Stocks presently unavailable at the SPCA…

    • Xavier Payne

      Ah, sorry to rain on your fictitious parade, but cats do not attack robbers or intruders. They never did and never will. If you check with your friends, I’m sure they’ll confirm that they have a dog, not a cat. Oh and I agree with Paul, get a Gareth Morgan Munchkin next time. Try to feel for something outside of your own immediate moggie-centered world.
      Which reminds me — Why and when did the word “cat” become babyified into “moggie” here in NZ? And why do cat owners always talk babytalk to their sadistic serial killing felines?

  • James Davis

    Some years ago the American Bird Conservancy and the National Audubon Society conducted a joint study to determine the greatest threat to bird populations. Their conclusion: by far, human activity – sprawl development, pesticides, skyscrapers, the invasion of field and forest by domestic machines of mass destruction (ATV’s and ORV’s), for example.
    Hawks kill birds. Where i live , skunks, raccoons, foxes, gulls, and rats prey on bird chicks and bird eggs (although the homeless cat population in my community plays no small role in keeping the rat population in check). Shall we also eradicate hawks, skunks, raccoons, etc. (all of which, as anyone knows, also help to control bird-killing rodent populations).
    As with any other predator/prey relationship (except for human/wild animal, in which “sportsmen” will kill the largest, healthiest specimen they can), birds killed by cats are typically the weak, sick, or old of the population.
    In the state of New Jersey, where i live, it has been estimated that there are perhaps 750,000 homeless or feral cats. I suggest that those who favor the elimination of cats be required to be personally responsible for killing every one of those 750,000, and of disposing of the bodies.
    Every so often some perverse creep crawls out from under a rock to advocate that cats be exterminated. Such individuals are profoundly sick “human beings”.

    • Paul

      Calling a conservation initiative such as this …the work of a ‘perverse creep’ is more profoundly sicker than anything. Especially when the ill-informed individual clearly hasn’t read the sites information and research.

      New Zealand’s situation is unique in the world. It has no relationship to the U.S.

      Birds ,lizards ,bats ,insects, frogs and Tuatara in these Islands evolved in the absence of predators of the skill and power of cats. They can offer no defense against such an animal.

      Birds killed by cats here, are not weak or sick …but highly vulnerable due to their evolution and isolation from mammalian hunters .

      Humans like you caused the problem….humans like us are trying to fix it.

    • Xavier Payne

      The American Bird Conservancy (ABC) group is a leading proponent of strict cat control legislation, so I certainly wouldn’t use one of their studies as a reason not to do something about the runaway problem of free-roaming cats. I’m attaching a link to ABC’s “Cats Indoors” campaign in which they spell out the many reasons why both birds and cats are much better off if cats are kept indoors at all times.

      http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.html

      New Zealand has an especially serious problem with cats due to the evolutionary history of our native wildlife which makes many natives species completely defenseless against cats. At the same time, we have by far the most cats on a per capital basis of any country in the world. New Zealand’s cities and towns have the highest concentration of cats anywhere on the planet, and these populations feed into the growing feral cat population that decimates native species in the bush areas. Furthermore, our local and national political bodies have done NOTHING to address this problem. That’s just not good enough. Other countries, including neighbouring Australia, are light years ahead of us in terms of cat control and responsible cat ownership. As for the ‘perverse creeps’ who are trying to protect our native wildlife while also restoring privacy, peace of mind, and feces-free environments to our citizens, well, I’m afraid you’re operating at too low a level of consciousness to appreciate the spirit of this venture. Oh, and you’re shooting stupidly from the hip you say that cats kill only the weak, sick, and old. Their first choice of birds to torture and kill are the YOUNG, and they are extremely adept at killing even the healthiest of birds, as I witness on a regular basis here in cat-infested Christchuch. Go play with your guns.

  • YOUR GUARDION ANGLE

    What is your F**king problem. Other pests do this as well. Dogs also kill birds and Stoats as well. Get a F**king life.

    • Paul

      Not very nice language there mate.
      This site …unlike you…is a true (and correctly spelled) ‘Guardian Angel’ of NZ’s unique and treasured native species.
      There are many dangerous predators in NZ…Yes…but Cats top the list together with Pacific rats and humans.
      Now….in this era….humans are hopefully prevented from further killing native species by the wildlife protection act of 1953. Rats get poisoned and disliked by everyone..so that’s great.
      But cats just get jellymeat ,a cuddle and the right to be relentless in killing and destroying native creatures where ever they find them..That’s not right!!
      Make your cat your last cat….what a positive solution.

    • Xavier Payne

      I’m not sure what a ‘guardion angle’ is, but it’s clear that you need to dust off some brain cells and study this issue a bit before making comments.

      • Paul

        Xavier…I think he really meant to call himself
        ‘a guardian of obtuse angles’…..>>>>>annoyingly insensitive to the real issues at the very least…..like all the other supporters of ‘Bob’s world of cats’. (aka SPCA)

  • Ian Melville

    ijm@ihug.co.nz

    I live on a lifestyle block in rural Kaipara and every now and again we have to cope with cat/kitten dumping. They are a total nuisance! Our dogs would just go out and dispatch them but we do not want that to happen because they are not that efficient killers.

    What, in your opinion is the the most humane way of killing them?

    Catching them and taking to to the SPCA is obviously stupid.

    Any ideas, please?

    ijm@ihug.co.nz

    • Paul

      In a rural area a 22 magnum or a shotgun will do the trick. Identify your target and firing range clearly ,and pull trigger :)
      Much more humane than the dog, agreed… unless your dog is grey hound or Saluki for example
      Sympathies to you though. It is frustrating isn’t it .

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.n.tate John Tate

    Birds are clearly just an inferior species. Let natural selection work!

    • Paul

      your uncle Bob Kerridge would totally agree with you John. ‘Let them all die out ….and let cats dominate the world’ he would say.
      Unfortunately the greater majority of ‘Cat lovers’ are an inferior species if the postings on this site are anything to go by.
      Your attempt to foist upon the world a brand new definition of ‘natural selection’ has failed dismally and you are hereby awarded the ‘cats to go’ thumbs down and a free copy of our new promotional CD called ‘sounds of the NZ forest’. Warning; you may hear nothing.

  • Xavier Payne

    Why is New Zealand so far behind its Aussie neighbours when it comes to cat control legislation designed to protect wildlife and reduce the nuisance, feces, disease-spreading, etc of cats?

    Most main cities and towns in Australia have cat curfews of various sorts, and/or other types of legislation aimed at protecting wildlife and restoring the rights of citizens. Amonh these are:

    MELBOURNE: most districts have dusk-to-dawn curfew, while an increasing number are imposing 24 hour curfew. By law, cats must be registered and microchipped.

    SYDNEY: dusk-to-dawn cat curfew in most areas.

    GOLD COAST: 24 hour cat curfew, with strict laws against cats trespassing on private property.

    DARWIN: 24 hour curfew stipulating that cats must contained on owners property at ALL times and, if taken off the property, cats must be “under effective control by owner” (leash or suitable container). Large fines are imposed on owners if cats are captured while “at large.”

    BENDIGO: sunset-sunrise curfew. The Council provides traps to residents who notice a breach of the curfew, with stiff fines given to the offending cat owner.

    BALLARAT: Mandatory registration and microchipping.

    TASMANIA: Mandatory registration. If cats trespass on private property, land owners can trap or seize the offending cat. Fees apply if cats owners want the cat returned from a cat facility. Only registered breeders are allowed to breed cats. Before one can give away or sell a cat, it must be microchipped, desexed, vaccinated, and wormed. Under Tasmania’s Cat Management Act (2009), it is strongly recommended that cat owners to keep their cats inside and to provide outside enclosures.

    WESTERN AUSTRALIA: Under the Cat Act (2011), all cats must be registered, microchipped, sterilised, and required to wear a tag. Fines up to $5000 apply for offenses against this Act.

    Many other towns and districts are moving ahead rapidly with registration to deal with the cat problem. Again, why are we here in New Zealand doing absolutely NOTHING?

    • Paul

      Dusk to dawn cat curfew in areas of Sydney. Wow. That would explain why its such a beautiful city …in areas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.ehresman.9 Robert Ehresman

    Is this site operated by a total idiot? Cats perform a valuable service by culling wildlife. Most critters captured by cats have a low probability of survival regardless of their feline encounter such as youth, aged, weak or ill. Cats have no practical impact on the long term viability of prey populations.

    • Paul

      Total pseudoscientific crap!
      Obviously stolen from the SPCA’s mission statement. This rather pathetic approach to a serious debate is an anachronistic one that brought cats here in the first place.
      The site is operated by people far better informed about the natural history of NZ than you are. Thankfully.

      Perhaps you should read a few things before you deliver your ‘cat lover’ rantings as you’ve added nothing useful with that lot.

    • Xavier Payne

      This website has seen hundreds of hair-brained and ill-informed comments by cat ‘lovers,’ but I’m going to nominate this particular one for the 2013 Creepiest Cat Lover award (winner to be announced on World Environment Day — June 5, 2013). In just a few short sentences, Narcissus manages to articulate the profound ignorance, arrogance, and insensitivity that lies, not only at the heart of New Zealand’s cat crisis, but at the the heart of NZ society.

    • Uschi

      Could not make sense of this ?
      you say….”Cats have no practical impact on the long term viability of prey populations” ……What does that mean????

  • http://www.facebook.com/666nb Chris Peter Tzifakis

    mate your a joke go near my town and ill cut your tail off i dear you i love my cats.how would you like it if i killed all of your fucken birds.

    • Xavier Payne

      It’s too bad that you aren’t as passionate about protecting wildlife. If you are as deeply in love with your cats as you say, be sure to keep them INSIDE at ALL times. Free-roaming cats are no longer safe here in New Zealand.

    • Paul

      Xavier is too polite to you. You’re a disappointing …yet typical.. pro-cat lobbyist. Foul and despicable language is your only answer to the logical arguments that have been presented.
      How you think someone ‘wants’ to kill your cat is beyond me? Can’t you read? Just keep your furry lover indoors and we are all happy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/666nb Chris Peter Tzifakis

    everybody harm every bird you see if he kills your cats or even better hang this guy.

    • Uschi

      listen sweet heart…no body wants to kill your cat. You’ve missed something here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/666nb Chris Peter Tzifakis

    dont worry i love my cats and thats it i dont belive that they should be killed.or taken away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/666nb Chris Peter Tzifakis

    what

  • SidNic

    I really don’t think the whole “evil cats” thing is entirely..um..factual. I really don’t think the cats are going to make a BIG difference in bird population. If so, why not have a wild-life refuge for the birds??? It would be easier and better than trying to get rid of all the cats in NZ.

    • Paul

      Cats have ‘already’ made the big difference..sorry to tell you. When ever cats are removed…..better the chances for native animals.
      The’ cat evil’ thing is just a metaphor to get your attention about what they are doing to the environment. It worked.

      Its factual alright. Cats are bad for NZ.

      Cat free NZ is a goal…an aspiration.
      Cat control an achievable objective

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Roy-Stuart/1187703284 Roy Stuart

    In my opinion Mr Morgan is a psychopath. That’s not bad language either it is merely a technical term,

    • Uschi

      not a technical term…more a hateful, mindless term.
      And a pretty unimpressive ‘opinion’ to boot.

    • Xavier Payne

      Crawl back under your rock, Roy, you lack the level of ethical sophistication to grasp the spirit or value of the CatsToGo movement. People with a mature and fully-developed conscience feel compassion, not only for their personal ‘moggies’, but for all the creatures who share this planet. Gareth Morgan is a saint.

  • Xavier Payne

    I’m not afraid to use the word ‘evil’ to describe cats. Click on the link below to see a cat in action, torturing a beautiful fully protected native bird — the Cardinal — in the USA. Note how it keeps the Cardinal alive while it looks for a suitable place to torture and dismember it. The bird screams with pain while the cat slowly tears its back feathers off, then gradually rips into its flesh, but the cat is enjoying it and still wants to keep it alive for the pure sadistic pleasure of it — the cat is not hungry and has no intention of eating the bird — and note how the bird is still alive when it is nothing but a torn up bloody hunk of flesh, and the cat looks down at it with satisfaction as the innocent creature still cries out for help, then instead of having the mercy to actually kill the sweet creature, the cat walks away from it so the bird can suffer in hellish agaony. Be sure to watch to the end and see what the cat owners (who also fit the definition of ‘evil’ in my book) have to say about the bird and their beloved cat. Enjoy the video, all you cat lovers. This is YOUR cat. Here’s the link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPOEEsj7Dxo

    • Paul

      that is so hard to watch Xavier. Cant watch the end but can imagine the horror of the senseless death. Powerful stuff to post though. See if you can put it in the discussions on this page; http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8333148/Morgans-attack-on-cats-extends-to-SPCA-staff.

      ….. that bird has just found itself in hell.

      • Xavier Payne

        I know what you mean, Paul. It turned my stomach to watch it. I posted it on the StuffNZ site. Cat owners become desensitized to the sight of beautiful birds being ripped apart sadistically by their cats. Many cat owners allow their cats to bring the live birds into the house and torture it at their leisure. Here’s a video of such a cat owner who watches her cat torture and kill a lovely bird in the bathtub of their home. She thought it was so cute that she got out her video camera to film it. Here’s the link:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi3SZEjL6dk

        • Paul

          Good job posting the video on ‘stuff’. There are a lot of ..well…..I really have to say…dim witted ‘cats rights loonies’ (quoting Gareth) who need educating. Who need to understand what they are defending. Wholesale destruction for the sake of sentimentality and fluffy hugs.
          I cant watch it myself. Ive seen so much already it turns my stomach. The person filming this is sick and has no right to think she is documenting nature. She is only documenting her perverted view of life.
          Anthropologist Desmond Morris would have said it is evidence of the broken ‘animal contract’. An unspoken ancient contract harking back to the dawn of time that says respect the life you kill, if you kill for food.
          The cat is so highly bred by man it has lost it’s ‘contract’ with nature. The human who stands by has lost its contract with nature . The cat and its human are using their evolutionary drive to destroy senselessly. Their ‘contract is void. They are in a sense ‘bankrupt’ of natural right.

  • Nick

    This is just one more cheap attempt at gaining exposure by Gareth to make himself an expert in everything.

    His son lucked in with Trademe only because eBay overlooked launching it’s own site here, and now a whole country has to put up with one man’s passion for the sound of his own voice.

    self-proclaimed expert investor …

    self-proclaimed expert motor bike rider …

    self-proclaimed expert envitonmentalist …

    self-proclaimed expert kiwisaver expert…

    self-proclaimed expert cat hater … what next…. ?

    Gareth the Guru ..????

    I can’t help thinking that he’ read one to many books on Richard Branson for the 40th time – and becoming the mislead master of self-promotion has become an obsession. I’ll bet his son is embarrased BIG TIME every time the mouth flaps open.

    • Uschi

      I would recommend you would read a book too …even if it is one written by Branson. Might broaden your horizons on the value of free speech and enterprise.

    • Paul

      I think you are a self-proclaimed plonker…. with a ‘Gareth envy’ crisis happening. ‘Gareth envy’ is common condition amongst Kiwis who are really ‘Gareth wannabees’ …but over time and with excessive ‘cat cuddling’ ….have sadly found themselves with the ‘treatable’ condition……one that makes them cross and unable achieve their goals life.
      The ‘cats to go’ cure is simple:…. Take one Putty Tat each night…lock it in laundry with a kitty litter box…. and in the morning.. after a period ….you may awake to the joyous sound of Bellbird in the garden and all hatred with disappear.’

  • Chris

    How did all six cats organise killing the rat? They’re not pack hunters… are they?

  • http://www.facebook.com/zionkat.comics Zionkat NZ

    Yet another man made forest fire. Surely more wildlife can be saved by investing your energies to increase awareness in this area. I don’t think you are sincere.

    • Paul

      please understand Zioncat NZ ….
      this isn’t about GM. It is pointless and achieves nothing directing your hate and jealously towards one individual when he is simply echoing a belief held by a sizable proportion of New Zealanders..and growing. Whilst you don’t “think” it sincere…reading your other arguments I would suggest you don’t think at all where cat control is concerned. The data supporting the catastrophic impact of uncontrolled cats on NZ’s fragile environment is overwhelmingly in support of this sites claims.
      Leading Scientists from many environmental spheres and DOC support its ambitions.
      Accept these facts and help in positive way.

  • Xavier Payne

    This whole thing about ‘cat lovers’ is a farse, and we should not be drawn into thinking that movements like Catstogo are about ‘cat lovers’ versus ‘cat haters.’ If one must have simplistic labels and an us-versus-them framework, it would be more accurate to say it’s about ‘wildlife lovers’ versus ‘wildlife haters.’ Owners of free roaming cats might say that they don’t actually ‘hate’ the wildlife that their cats torture and kill on a daily basis, but the very act of turning one’s cat loose on our fragile native environment is an act of disdain and callous disregard for the delicate natural heritage that we should be protecting, not only for future generations of humans to enjoy, but for the right of those creatures themselves to share this planet. Moreover, allowing your cat to roam free is a form of abuse and neglect against the cat itself, and the furthest thing from ‘love.’ It is even likely that a sound legal case could be mounted against the owners of free-roaming cats on the grounds of animal cruely/neglect. Is it not abuse/neglect to subject an animal in your care to conditions that will reduce its lifespan by half or more? (see below) In New Zealand, nearly all cat owners allow their cats to roam free, day and night. Keeping your cat inside is not only a sign of responsible pet ownership. In the end, Catstogo and similar movements are about responsible versus irresponsible citizenship, and about ethical versus unethical living.
    The resons for keeping your cat INSIDE at all times are many. The material below is adapted from an internet site operated by cat lovers.

    ******************************************

    For their own welfare, people should protect their cats by keeping them safely indoors. And thanks to its wonderful adaptability, the cat can live happily, safely and healthy indoors. The dangers of outdoor living are many for cats:

    The outside world is full of cat dangers, from chemicals to cars to
    intolerant neighbors. But the number-one killer and crippler of outdoor cats is car accidents. Even usually attentive cats lose their concentration and dash into oncoming traffic when being chased by a dog, pursuing prey, or distracted in some other way.

    You are effectively cutting your cats lifespan in half by allowing it to roam free. “Free-ranging cats in the United States, for example, have an average lifespan in the general population of only 3 to 5 years; indoor cats have an average lifespan of 12 years and frequently live longer than 20 years. Car accidents are the biggest killers of free-ranging cats”
    (Karen L. Overall, M.A., V.M.D., Ph.D., Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Behavior; Department of Clinical Studies School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

    Fights with other outdoor cats lead to dangerous bite and scratch wounds that can easily become infected. Even worse, fatal viral diseases like rabies and feline leukemia, feline AIDS, FIP and rabies are spread by contact with infected animals.

    The free-roaming cat is a magnet for parasites like fleas, mosquitoes,
    ticks, and other buggy freeloaders, and are deposited in your yard and house when the cat comes home. Found in grass, soil, rodents and other cat hors d’oeuvres, parasites often transmit or cause dangerous disorders like toxoplasmosis, tapeworms, anemia, fungal, and heartworm disease.

    Cats can be poisoned simply by grooming themselves after walking across treated lawns. And when you cat catches a bird or mouse or some other creature, it may ingest viruses, toxins, poisons, etc that the animal has already eaten or been exposed to.

    Neighborhood dogs may not look kindly upon the free-roaming cat: not
    every cat makes it up a tree unscathed. Cats who trespass in other yards and dig in gardens fuel the ire of otherwise tolerant neighbors. Many people dislike cats, while others protest about cat paw prints on their clean cars. Bird lovers become particularly irate when a neighbor cat kills birds and stakes out their feeder. Some people will retaliate.

  • Paul

    the Phoenix is a bird isnt it?

  • Anna

    time to ‘even’ things up

  • Mard

    OK…

  • Anna

    that would certainly help with the problem of ‘human’ over population! But this is just about cats .
    Advice. : click on ‘HOME’ and re read text

  • Mard

    I see a theme…

  • Paul

    clowns are funny and harmless.
    Sadly cats are natural born killers of NZ native species.

  • Jim

    Ever seen IT? Not so funny and harmless.

  • Paul

    Yes. ‘It’ was a cat with makeup

  • Paul

    Yet more dross from seemingly irrational minds. surely this cant be true.

    Your living up to the growing idea in my mind(and others) that ‘cat lovers hate’. Prove me wrong. Turn off your Amygdala and turn on your Neocortex.
    Cats are harmful to the environment. Fact

    People need to fix the problem they caused. Fact

    Ciao

  • Ian McIntosh

    Yes, but it is at present confused. It is supposed to rise from the ashes, not create them.

  • SidNic

    A Phoenix is a MYTHOLOGYCAL bird… :/

  • http://www.facebook.com/loijsan.boijsan Loijsan Boijsan

    Some post gets deleted on here… Just a very few of mine seem to be allowed to stay on here… Sad that they don’t seem to accept all comments.. Or maybe it is just some kind of problem with their website that sometimes deletes comments out of the blue.

  • Paul

    No…….MYTHOLOGICAL bird.! :/
    Or a soccer team…depending on your preference.