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wellington-phoenixToday I have been in Stuff and the NZ Herald regarding an interview that was pre recorded a week ago with Tony Veitch. Here are some points that need to be mentioned:

  • I remind everyone that this Club loses money every year and on that basis we are looking at a range of ways to change that. Our success on the field is an important, but not the only element of that bottom line measure.As the only team in the league apart from newcomers Melbourne Heart and Wests not to have reached a Grand Final, we did a review and made a decision whether the style we’re perfected over the years would be good enough to ever get us beyond the playoffs. The consensus was unlikely so we decided to adopt a medium term objective to play possession-based football. It will take 2-3 years let’s say but we wish the playing style to be defined as the Phoenix’s playing style.
  • Working out how to get there is the challenge for coaching staff, player recruitment policy, incumbent players – not so much the Board.
  • Over recent games there have been apparently some tweaks to playing style as Ricki has publicly mentioned – precisely what, is his domain not mine but he has talked of them. But as an observation, just as any fan observing the game could make – it was noticeable in the first halves of both the game against Victory and Wests that The Phoenix played pretty well, and there were instances of the possession-based game. The second halves of both games were failures from our perspective and so obviously that would be a concern to coaches and a focus. Then the Sydney game of last week was a failure all the way – again obviously the challenge for the football staff and team to address.
  • I observe that some, not all, fans are blaming the team position on the league table as being a result of a wholesale change in style – at least they have been since the medium term strategy of changing style became publicly known. That charge is pretty irrelevant as the style thing is a medium term objective not a goal to be achieved overnight. Besides the performances in the first halves of the games against Victory and Wests gives lie to that suggestion. Despite this being pointed out, some vocal fans on the message boards have continued with the charge – despite there being no ground for that. Yes I would call that intransigence, pathetic – based on emotion not evidence.
  • There was the instance of the “Morgan Invasion of the Training Pitch”. This was pure invention by a gossip columnist working for the Dom Post, posing as a sports journalist. Gossip columnists as you know, invent their own stories when deadlines loom and they’ve been unable to extract anything genuine. I have been to a number of training sessions as have other owners so none of that element of the story from Mr Worthless was genuine. Secondly on the day the Press were also at a session I was at, Ricki had divided the pitch in two and had the starting team training on one side, the rest training under Greenie on the other. So I chose to stand between the two sessions so I could observe both. I wouldn’t have thought that was worthy of scandal but apparently it was. So Worthless wrote a story with a great beat up “Who’s the Boss” charging that I’d invaded the pitch – he didn’t talk to me before he had to come up with something for his deadline. It was 100% crap. The DomPost owe me an apology but I doubt it’s capable of admitting one of its staff is a fiction writer.
  • Of course the public reads this fiction and the gullible believe that because it’s in a newspaper it’s truth – that apparently I’m now telling Ricki what to do! Priceless fiction but the gullible get sucked in and before you know it the belief spreads and I even see sports journalists believing it as time blurs their memory. People really can be silly at times for sure.
  • For your information I have been working on how to enhance our performance analysis capability of late and that involves video analyses of matches and training sessions – my attendance at training that week was mainly on how we would achieve that, how many cameras etc, which sessions we would film, which we don’t bother with etc. I have explained this but nobody is interested in ruining a good piece of Worthless fiction.
  • When Tony Veitch asked me last week about all this I said and I repeat that those who continue to believe the Worthless line that I’m somehow running the training etc are being silly. I said to him that the truth is totally the opposite and those that continue with the charge – whether fans or journos for that matter, despite no evidence whatsoever – are pathetic. They are.
  • We have a medium term strategy set by the Board and we have a coaching and technical department and senior players who are responsible for the week to week strategy and performances – the two are quite separable over the short term. To suggest they’re not is far-fetched and has no basis in fact.
  • Those that believe owners should write the cheques and stay upstairs while everyone else gets on and loses money year after year, clearly don’t know where money comes from. We have to get the club on a solid financial footing, that does involve on-field activity too and I make no apology for dispelling the myth that club ownership is somehow symbolic only and the owners have no say in determining strategy. Proper fans need to appreciate what we need to do to ensure The Phoenix is here for the long term. Unless of course someone wants to step up and fund the $1m per year annual losses that currently prevail. All constructive suggestions for financial progress are welcome but just on that I suggest you read the book Moneyball because that pretty much describes our strategy – we are investing in Academies and developing our intake of young players. That will enable us to buy some top players in key position in time and provides a basis for this Club that is based in a very small town compared to most in the League, to more effectively compete.
  • Finally, to all the dedicated Phoenix fans who understand the big picture, who turn up in the rain, buy the tickets, cheer in the fan zone, I thank you. Your positive support and appreciation of the mission we have been set is appreciated by the owners, managers and players. The transformation we are undertaking is exciting and it is fun to rise to the challenge. I do however suggest you critically appraise the trash from the gossip columnists in the DomPost’s sports department – they are increasingly getting their information 3rd hand or making it up.

 

Please feel free to comment. I may be slow to reply as I am in transit.

 

  • Sthn.Jeff

    Dear Doctor Morgan

    I listened with some interest to your recent comments which were broadcast on Radio Sport this morning wherein you described Phoenix fans as a mixture of Pathetic and unsophisticated.

    Gareth, I take a great deal of umbrage with those comments. I have been a football fan now for at least 40 of my forty five years on this planet, with the first game I can recall watching, being the 1972 FA Cup final between Leeds and Arsenal. I have played football to a fairly high level in New Zealand, in both the Central Leagues and Northern Leagues before a series of injuries stopped my playing days. I have coached junior teams and now coach a senior team in Wellington. My passion for football has left me at the point where as a forty five year old I have had a total replacement of both of my knees. Two and a half weeks after that operation I was in the stand at Westpac Stadium supporting the team that you and others own but I regard as my team. That Gareth, is what ‘pathetic’ football fans do.

    I have been the holder of 4 season tickets since the second season. The only reason I was not a season Ticket holder the first year was because I was living in Queenstown at the time and simply could not get to enough games. Over the years I have bought every Shirt available, have lost count of the scarves, hats beanies and other bits of merchandise I have purchased. This is nothing unusual amongst the unsophisticated football fans. That again is what Pathetic football fans do.

    This season, I like a number of others have wandered up and down Lambton Quay, stood outside the Railway station, stood waving flags on Motorway overpasses to drum up support for the team, in an effort to bring along more fans to the game you now consider to be pathetic and unsophisticated. There are many others in the supporters group who do an immeasurable amount more. You call us Pathetic and Unsophisticated, I call it Passionate.

    Do you remember that word Gareth? I recall you using it as a reason why you and the other members of the ownership group took over the running of the Phoenix…. It was the Passion of the fans that you loved. Now you wish to use that passion as a stick to beat the major stakeholders in the club.

    I and many others, are extremely grateful for you stepping in and buying the Phoenix. I love the fact that I am able to watch professional football in my city every fortnight, although it seems you are intent on diluting that too. It is a far cry from watching Stop Out play in the National League in the mid seventies, so once again thank you for carrying on with the dream started by Terry all those years ago.

    Perhaps us Pathetic and Unsophisticated fans do not understand the “vision” you have for the club. Is that a surprise with the mixed messages that come from the club?

    Passion Gareth, is what sets apart football fans from just about any other sports fan in the world. It is passion that leads us to wrenching off our beloved Phoenix Tops from our less than athletic bodies to celebrate what we hope to be a looming win. It certainly is not the tropical Wellington Weather. It is Passion that has us singing and supporting our team to the point we can barely talk the following day. It is passion that has us travelling to Auckland and Dunedin and beyond to support our team away from the Ring of Fire.It is passion that has us wanting our team to perform week in week out. It is passion that will have us back supporting our team despite watching a humiliating performance last week.

    In summary Gareth, I think you have taken that passion to be an indication of being Pathetic and unsophisticated. Perhaps someone who has been a football supporter for more than two years would understand that.

    Yours in unsophisticated patheticness

    Jeff

    • Mike Smith

      Applause!

    • http://twitter.com/seatounsteve Steve

      here here!

  • Michael Chiles

    As a foundation member I support your vision for the club but maybe you should be more careful with your media announcements as they are creating a lot of the wrong sort of buzz around the club whether you mean them to or not. I will be there on Sunday supporting the team and hope that the players have not allowed themselves to become distracted by all the chatter.

    Probably also a good idea not to call supporters pathetic, just saying.

  • http://twitter.com/nikz Nik

    Gareth,

    I appreciate that you see a lot of what has happened with the Phoenix recently as a media beat-up and some impatience and a lack of long-term understanding from a vocal minority of fans. From where I sit, that certainly seems like what has happened.

    However, I think this post is somewhat lacking as a “mea culpa” to the very fans who – as you identify – turn up despite the wind and rain and yes, despite how the Phoenix are playing (because we know they can be better!) We’re the people who are buying season passes every year, who are constantly nagging friends and family to attend games and in some cases volunteering a lot of our own time to organise and run fan events & groups. We’re the guys who are flying to Auckland and Dunedin – we are quite literally the guys who have T Shirts printed with your face on them!

    We may not have the means to stump up a million – but think about how much worse it would be without the three or four thousand die hards and their season passes!

    I think a more straightforward thank you and (although I know you are not a man to back down, and I respect that) perhaps an apology would be well received by those people.

  • Mike Smith

    Gullible? How so? At what stage did you make it clear that you had not been reported correctly?

  • Mike Smith

    Gareth, why on earth do an interview with Veitch? I think he is the last person you should be talking to! He’s hardly a champion of fair play and ethical behaviour is he?

  • disqus_FyhhWs9sv9

    I don’t think the first half of the Victory or Western Sydney games were great from us, I just think comparatively they were better than the second half of both games. And certainly they weren’t anything to suggest this ‘total football’ you talk of is coming along nicely. The fact is we lost all those games, in fact we’ve only scored two goals in the last four games, and one was when we were already six goals down. To call fans pathetic, for being unhappy that the team is getting comfortbaly beaten at home, and well and truly beaten on the road is down right disrespectful. Most of us dig deep to find the money to attend the Phoenix matches, and while the hardcore will be there through thick and thin,I think it is very much fair to be asking questions when the defence is leakier than an Auckland house, and we can’t score at the other end. This is shaping up to be the worst ever Nix season, when at the start of the season we were told we were in it to win it. Now, after a pretty poor season bar one or two games, we are told it is all part of a long term plan to play possession football. You can’t expect us as fans to sit patiently and continue to fork out our hard earned while the team dish up performances like the last few and you cover it up by saying it’s part of a long term plan. As you well know, you’re fans are you’re customers, and you’ve constantly made it clear crowd numbers need to increase. So why then do you think telling your customers they are pathetic and know nothing about football is going to increase crowd numbers? I will be forever thankful to you and the rest of Welnix for saving my club, but I feel your comments this morning and recently are well wide of the mark, and the fans deserve an apology.

  • Kiwikea

    It’s the Heart who are new to the competition not the Victory.

    Moneyball had a key focus on identifying players that were undervalued or considered not good enough to play in the MLB. Paul DePodesta had a focus on two elements to baseball – one was the ability to get on-base. They deliberately chose players who may be deficient in other areas but could do that.

    How does that relate to developing a total football team? Would you choose players who may have a high passing percentage but are not overly fast, or maybe a player who had excellent ball control but was not good at tackling, working on the assumption that if you have 65-70% possession, tackling may not be required as often, or at a minimum the fact they will have to make less tackles, they will be more focused on quality.

    I like the concept of Moneyball, however to me it would be scouring the league’s around the world for undervalued players, especially in the immediate future. Look at the Breakers, they are successful because they have a good team culture, but also they have excellent relationships with the San Antonio Spurs and scouts in the USA. As a result a player like Cedric Jackson, who is just about NBA quality, is playing for the Breakers.

    If the Breakers can do this in basketball, surely the Phoenix in the global game of football can find some players. If it was me I would be looking for players who are undervalued or can provide leadership.

    The Phoenix at the moment are missing Tim Brown who was a senior pro and was a good player at creating play, but also breaking up the other team’s movements. There is a player in England called Michael Johnson who at one stage was looked upon to be the next big thing after his debut for Manchester City but personal issues has led to him giving up football at 24 recently.
    Why not try and convince him to give football another go on the other side of the world without the English press 24/7, and see if it rekindles his love for the game. It’s an extreme example, however there are many stories of players who are undervalued or playing at a division below their ability that could be great at the Phoenix. Look at Aston Villa losing to League Two Bradford whose only transfer cost 7,500 pounds, but they scored 4 goals over two legs against Villa, after knocking off Arsenal the round before.

    The players are there, it’s a matter of identifying them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/danielfarrellnzl Daniel Farrell

    Maybe you could comment if you understood football. Saying Phoenix fans don’t understand football is plain hypocrisy on your part.

    I was hoping your ridiculous comments on cats would make you stop the take over of the Phoenix. Unfortunately, you can do two stupid things at once.

    • Mike Smith

      :Saying Phoenix fans don’t understand football is plain hypocrisy on your part.; – Where did he express that view? He made the point it was SOME fans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Prettymuchthecoolestpersonever Dan Jourdain

    I’m no expert on media relations… but calling your fanbase “Gullible” and “Pathetic” doesn’t seem like a way to help the bottom line.

    • Mike Smith

      He did NOT. He said ‘some’ were.

  • http://twitter.com/seatounsteve Steve

    Hi Gareth,

    First of all I applaud WelNix, yourself and the team for keeping the Phoenix viable in Wellington. It’s great for Wellington and for football supporters.

    I am concerned however at your recent comments regarding supporters. Contrary to your opinion that some of us are pathetic, don’t know much about the game and so forth, certainly the yellow fever fans are extremely knowledgeable as are many of the casuals. When the Nix are playing well, and they have plenty of times in the past, please remember at one point we had the enviable home record of the A-League, there will be an fan element that want to come and see a Wellington team beat the aussies at our stadium. The hardcore fans welcome and applaud these fans – not a lot more exciting than having 12k+ at the stadium.

    I think the first big match I ever watched was Sunderland vs. Leeds, 1973 FA cup final. I remember clearly Holland sadly being defeated by Germany in 74 – my school, being taught by Dutch priests, came to a standstill, while we all listened to the final. I come from a football family. Two uncles played at an amateur national level in Scotland, then one in NZ, my father was a handy player in his day and has attended almost all Phoenix home games, as well as games in Australia. My whole family (sadly except me – I blew it) were at the All Whites v Bahrain game. Many of my family and friends (and myself for a few seasons) have been season ticket holders.

    Please don’t treat us like muppets. You’ve been interested in football for 5 mins and what, you want the Nix to play like FC Barcelona. That’s a romantic nonsense. Don’t tell us we don’t know anything about the game. Movement to a different style will take careful player selection going forward and a cautious approach over time – which I acknowledge you have already said. However, whatever your personal desires are for the style of play, if that runs up hard against player ability we will continue to see the likes of 7-1 losses. Of course it’s impossible to say now, but I suggest had the Nix played their established strategy against Sydney, the result would have been quite different. Most of those goals were scored against the run of play on counter, our defence, totally open and compromised.

    The Nix languishing at the bottom of the table will bleed support much faster (translating into bottom line loss to you) much faster than them making the playoffs, and when you make the playoffs, you are in the running.

    Gareth, I understand you want to run this thing as a business, fair call. But you’d be well advised not to slag off your customers. Particularly the ones the give of their time and hard earned money to support their team. If the Nix are still here in 10 years, with different owners, I wonder how much interest you’ll still have in them. But, I bet I’ll still see the same faces in the Yellow Fever Zone.

    regards
    Steve McKinlay

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laurence-Hill/774089893 Laurence Hill

    Considering who little you know about football I would suggest you take a step back, as 99% of the fans probably know more about football than you do, secondly if you had any common sense what-so-ever you do not insult ANY of your fans, if you are insinuating that those who believed the article about the pitch invasion are pathetic and unsophisticated then you really ought to take a long hard look in the mirror yourself.

    Your comments about people looking at the league table are while probally valid in other ways absurd, if you were willing to put as much effort into learning and understanding football as even half the casual fans then that would go someway to helping you understand what football fans are like the world over and if you don’t like it then why take over a football club. If the A-League had a fit and proper owners test like is in England you would have failed it…. miserably.

    Also the owner should be seen and not heard, that is what the PR and coaching staff is for, this is why so many of your so called “Pathetic” fans (who got sucked into the story) because you do not behave like an owner. Tell me how often do you hear from the likes of Roam Abramovich (assuming you know who that is) the fact of the matter is you don’t except in extremely rare circumstances.

    You really need to leave the talking to your PR staff because you are no smooth operator, you are too hot headed and feel the need to justify everything you do, you feel persecuted and seek an outlet that most people would just let the PR people deal with, oall you are doing is oiling up and already greasy surface.

    Here endeth your lesson….. For now!

    • Mike Smith

      “Tell me how often do you hear from the likes of Roam Abramovich” – you hear from them quite a lot. They help the clubs EXIST and they are more than welcome to express their views.

  • Loopy Lass

    To Gareth, I love my cats. I don’t ever intend to get rid of them. However I don’t like you. How do we get rid of you? Can you please bugger off to Aussie? Is their an option to “cull” you?

  • ηὔξανεν

    Name calling is a commentary on the name caller. Grow up or get out.

  • Bergkamp

    Very sad Gareth. Honestly, you admit you knew nothing about football 12 months ago and your recent pronouncements demonstrate you’ve learnt very little. Don’t know the difference between Victory and Heart? Wests? Really? Never heard anybody else call Wanderers that? Know the winners of the last three World Cups, without google? Thought not. To insult the supporters who love and cherish the game and support the only professional team in NZ through thick and thin really is the sign of someone out of touch. Time for of the other WelNix to step forward as the spokesman before you do irreparable damage.

  • Jon Turner

    Lots of really good points made in these comments, barring the usual reactive “don’t call us pathetic, you don’t know anything about football !” One good thing that has come out of all this, Gareth, is that the cry to “SACK RICKI” has fallen away – instead being replaced by jibes at the owner. I think your pronouncement about playing total football was ill timed (and incorrect,) and the tone of your press releases as of late seem to reflect an unspoken acknowledgment of that on your part. It’s good that you keep up with the forums and interact with the fans – I don’t think many professional teams can say their owners do such a thing. Hopefully the nix can turn it around and get a win this weekend – or, at best, a draw. I fear for the local birdlife if they dont !

  • Hatter

    To be labelled “pathetic, unsophisticated, gullible & wanting instant gratification” by a man who bought a football club that loses between $1-2M a year, & then says he needs the club to make a profit, is hypocrisy at its utmost.

    Gareth, you have publicly stated that 12 months ago you knew very little about football, you now think that you have such a command on the game that you can say your “customers” “don’t know much about the game”. I purchased my first season ticket in England when I was 12 years old (35 years ago), I have followed numerous teams, travelling all over Europe, New Zealand & Australia. At one stage I was a part owner of a Football League Club, when it was purchased by the fans. I think I am more than qualified to be called ‘somewhat knowledgable’ about the game, but I know a lot of people within the current fanbase that have immeasurably more knowledge than I do, but according to your statement, if they look at the position of the Phoenix in the A-League, they are unknowledgable & pathetic. Get off your high horse, treat customers like myself (who bought three season tickets & travel to Auckland & Dunedin, whist also going to watch 3 games in Australia last year) as a valuable piece of the Phoenix make up.

    I have already told Neil Hammond that I will not be buying season tickets for my daughters next year, I am seriously contemplating not getting one for myself next year after your comments.
    And to top it all off I love my cat!

    • Mike Smith

      Hatter, Gareth and his friends are paying for those losses. You do realise that don’t you?

      • Hatter

        Wow Mike, No I didn’t realise that! Thanks for pointing that out to me. On a side issue , are you a Phoenix fan, Mike?

        • Mike Smith

          Yes. Have missed TWO homes games since Phoenix came into being.

  • Pissed off

    Go kill some cats and not OUR club

  • http://www.facebook.com/k1mr0b1ns0n Kim Robinson

    Support Phoenix at the next match dressed up as a cat!

  • Rugged

    I am surprised that it is an owner with no football background who is making decisions about what cameras are needed. Surely an expert with a background in football and this kinda technology would be the one to provide a list of different options based on what the coaches are hoping to gain from this technology. Then the owners would sign off on the option that closet matched the requirements and budget?

  • Mike Smith

    My ten cents worth isthat Gareth is on the right track here. It’s time some fans woke up and stopped taking the DomPost so literally. Employ a little bit of critical thinking, It’s clear that under the editor Courtney they have shifted their focus in a ‘tabloid’ direction. Sam’s writing is more and more ‘Milmowesque’ and surely fans could see through the beat up about Gareth being at training. No, some clowns are just so gullible.

    It would surprise me if he, Gareth, was NOT there.

    The DomPost owe alll Phoenix fans an apology for the piece that Sam penned. I understand it was at the direction of the sports editor, Jonanthan Milmow, hence the ‘Milmowesque’ description. A simple act of not reading the paper will improve your life enormously.

    The most critical, and emotional, tend to be the younger fans. It;s knee jerk and, again, emotional. In a lot of ways that’s great but you have to temper you emotions some time.

    Success in football does not come overnight. Football is just so imperfect. The WelNix team are committed to the club and given time we can all be part of something great here.

    Be patient, think critically and never buy/read a Fairfax product!!

    • http://garethsworld.com/ Gareth Morgan

      Thanks Mike, commonsense and some insight percolates at last.
      We are after substantial change here, not just to make the playoffs but to win
      the bloody thing and to keep winning it. Further we need to do that against the big finance clubs from the bigger towns. Excellence in all aspects of the club is what’s sought, only that will deliver the financial stability to enable that
      result. Current players, coaches, management, owners, all-weather fans –
      everybody who really cares should be committed and know that you can’t make an omelette without breaking an egg. I don’t apologise for being open, frank and transparent on this – we’re on a mission, and those wanting to take cheap shots from the sidelines should be called out, at all stages of the journey.

      Will we get there? Who knows – the alternative should keep us focused. There’s no room for pussies on this trip.

      • Hatter

        Gareth- you seem to have the “Big Picture” as the ultimate goal, which is fair enough. But, if you have a team that can’t perform in the style you want, you have to bring in players that can perform, that will cost more money. To have a long term sustainable football club, you have to keep the lifeblood of the club – the supporters- entertained & on your side. If you have no supporters, you do not have a viable club!

        Hypocrisy springs to mind reading your comment – “those wanting to take cheap shots from the sidelines should be called out” Do you not think calling supporters “pathetic & unsophisticated” is a cheap shot?

        I also find it amusing that the only comment you have replied to, is to the “person” that agrees with most of what you say. In previous blogs you reply to almost everyone!
        See you at the game on Sunday? Oh that’s right your overseas, no doubt I will see you in Auckland next week, or are you going to the Sevens?

      • Been Benuane

        A guy who says things like “There’s no room for pussies on this trip” or says media reports are ’100% crap” or that “I’ve had a *pottyword*load of hate mail” or who pays for funerals of blanket-clad smelly homeless men with their genitals hanging out on the pavements should think about glass houses and stones before labeling anyone else “unsophisticated”.
        Just saying…

    • Hatter

      “Success in football does not come overnight.”
      Western Sydney Wanderers seems to be doing Ok. Just saying!

      • Mike Smith

        Their season isn’t over yet.

  • http://twitter.com/Thecronge The good doctor

    Gareth is it true that the Nix’s recent poor form is infact the work of a
    nefarious group of cats attempting to kill the Nix for pleasure? I’m
    almost 100% that I saw a Persian and a ginger tom looking shifty at
    Newtown Park last week. We must pull together as a group and defeat this
    Cat illuminati who stand in the way of Gareth’s ‘long term strategy’
    suceeding.

    • Mike Smith

      You cynic you :)

  • http://twitter.com/basbolyn Bas Bolyn

    Gareth, the welnix consortium and yourself need to be applauded for stepping and putting your money in the club. Without it the club would not exist today. My question is, is the club going the wrong way around trying to change its football playing philosophy and its implementation? Surely, you need to (in the pre-season) establish the right playing roster, train in the new approach and ensure that the players being scouted into the junior set up are meeting the same objectives before you try change your playing style? Ange Postecoglou seems to have taken that approach in arriving at the Victory. He signed the right squad, cut the lads that couldn’t fit in with a ball playing style and was patient to let it settle in at the start of the season, accepting some losses. All fairness to the current nix players, but playing football out from the back with players of the like of sigmund and bertos who is a makeshift left back is always going to end in failure? There’s a gap in the midfield, where you have muscat playing that deep holding role but there is no link with the strikers and wingers with a consistent inability to deliver quality into the box. It seems a bonafides CAM and two quality wing backs are there bare minimum elements of the roster needed before a playing change could even be considered?

    That said, change is needed, I think everyone will agree on that. Maybe it just needs a bit more of a sophisticated ‘sell’ to the fan base?

  • Been Benuane

    Now who would know more about Soccer I wonder?

    People who’ve played the sport and followed club competitions overseas since childhood and who’ve gained the experience to recognise what’s going on behind the scenes and read between the lines.

    Or some guy from some small town in the Waikato who thinks that attractive soccer has to be attacking soccer (like in Rugby).

    Hmm? Could it be you’re actually completely out of your depth here Gareth?

  • paulscottfilms@blogspot.co.nz

    getr out of our Country Morgan you sociopath socialist, take your money and go we despise you